RE: ISIS is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity
September 23, 2018 at 11:34 am
(This post was last modified: September 23, 2018 at 11:53 am by Angrboda.)
(September 23, 2018 at 11:00 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:(September 23, 2018 at 10:05 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Atlas, I mock and disrupt your preaching here on the forum. As a good Muslim, are you then justified in killing me?
No. The Quran gave clear orders when killing is legal:
Quote:http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
Sura 5, The Quran:
( 32 ) Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
So unless you're a killer, or you corrupt in earth -like drug cartels of South America-, you don't deserve to be killed and if I kill you then this is my punishment:
Quote:http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
Sura 25, The Quran:
(68 ) And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty.
( 69 ) Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated -
And the eternal punishment in judgment day is hell:
Quote:http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh
Sura 88, The Quran:
( 23 ) And brought [within view], that Day, is Hell - that Day, man will remember, but what good to him will be the remembrance?
( 24 ) He will say, "Oh, I wish I had sent ahead [some good] for my life."
( 25 ) So on that Day, none will punish [as severely] as His punishment,
( 26 ) And none will bind [as severely] as His binding [of the evildoers].
So no.
So then the Muslims weren't justified in killing the Meccans unless the Meccans had killed Muslims. Do you have any examples of the Meccans killing Muslims prior to the caravan raids? By the way, you've just given the Meccans justification for killing Muhammad and Muslims as they were "spreading corruption in the land" by mocking the gods and traditions of the pagans. Retaliating against a justified killing, regardless, would then not be self defense but rather simple murder.
"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter."
Quote:per·se·cu·tion, noun
hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.