(October 15, 2018 at 1:53 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm pointing out there is only one model of prayer. Jesus Christ himself presented it. He was directly asked "Lord, teach us how to pray." and what he came up with is what I outlined from luke 11. In essence the 'Lord's prayer' is the only outline of actual prayer. Now we also have examples of paul teaching his people to Go before God asking for their wants and needs but he identifies this not as prayer but as petition.
The computer scientist in me says that based on what you've provided, you cannot claim that this is the only model for prayer. The disciples asked for a model for how to pray and Jesus gave them one, without offering any other information as to whether or not it is the only way to pray. You could ask me how to hang and mud drywall, and I could pretty easily show you. It doesn't mean that the way I showed you is the only way to do so.
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(October 15, 2018 at 1:53 pm)Drich Wrote: That said you would be shocked at how much the church does or does not do that the bible teaches the opposite on.
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So how can the church be wrong and still be the church? because the same grace that is extended to us when we willfully sin is that more more available when we love God with all of our being and we simply fall short with our limited ability to comprehend an infinite God.. Maning if God is willing to forgive when we seek to be wrong/evil then his grace is far better spent when we get somthing wrong/misunderstand how God works when we are trying to love God with the full extent of our ablity!
This is just a whole bunch of No True Scotsman stuff that I'm sure you believe, but there's no way you can prove. I mean, maybe you're right, but you can't prove it with an informal logical fallacy. Every Christian seems to think they're at least on the right track to doing Christianity "correctly", and they all base if off of their own particular interpretations of the Bible. Every time I've seen a Christian honest enough to admit that they can't really know if they're correct, they go right back to asserting they're correct when that conversation ends and the next one starts.
