RE: Did Jesus call the Old Testament God the Devil, a Murderer and the Father of Lies?
October 30, 2018 at 11:49 am
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2018 at 12:33 pm by Bucky Ball.)
(October 30, 2018 at 10:11 am)Drich Wrote:Quote:how does this reflect a later view point? what chronological queues are you observing to make this determination
what makes you think Jesus would never speak to the religious leadership that way?
What of all of the other passages where Jesus out right slams the religious leadership for being inept or blind guides?
I have told you and gave you examples of Jesus over and over calling the religious elite out is what got him killed or do you ignore all of that for your hippy version of jesus... you know the one you tested in your life and you know he does not exist?!?!
I did say one has to have one's radar turned on. Not one's childish simplistic ignorance.
"Jesus said to them, “If God were really your Father, you would love me. I came from God, and now I am here. I did not come by my own authority. God sent me. 43 You don’t understand the things I say, because you cannot accept my teaching. 44 Your father is the devil. You belong to him. You want to do what he wants. He was a murderer from the beginning. He was always against the truth. There is no truth in him. He is like the lies he tells. Yes, the devil is a liar. He is the father of lies.
“I am telling you the truth, and that’s why you don’t believe me. 46 Can any of you prove that I am guilty of sin? If I tell the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God accepts what he says. But you don’t accept what God says, because you don’t belong to God.”
These words are a statement of faith. They reflect a much later (post event) view of the Jesus event, and its meaning and understanding.
There was no "hell" for Jews. ALL dead souls went to Sheol, and that was not where Yahweh lived. There is NEVER an instance of a devil living in Sheol, and you can find none. Until very late in their history, Jews did not believe in immortality. (Paul wrote "put ON immortality" ... only the saved had immortality, which is what one would expect from an apocalyptic Jew). There is NO place in the Bible that says Satan was sent to hell, or is the leader of an underworld ... NOT ONE. Christians cooked that crap up.
Anyone who is actually familiar with the OT, Psalm 110 "In splendoribus sanctorum, ex utero, ante luciferum, genuite".
Psalm 39 :
"Turn your gaze away from me, that I may smile again,
before I depart, and am no more"
Psalm 115 :
The dead do not praise the Lord,
nor do any that go down into silence".
Psalm 6
"For in death there is no remembrance of you, in Sheol, who can give you praise ?"
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article...adversary/
Job is a MYTHICAL explanation for how the Exile could happen. One must (through STUDY) understand "divine beings" in Hebrew culture ... Not just go to 3rd Grade Sunday School. When the Witch of Endor conjures the shade of Samuel for Saul (from Sheol) Saul asks the witch, "What do you see". She answers, "I see a DIVINE being, (the word is "elohim"), coming up out of the ground. (only the witch could *see* or perceive the shade)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
[/url]As a name for the Devil, the more common meaning in English, "Lucifer" is the rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל in Isaiah (Isaiah 14:12) given in the King James Version of the Bible. The translators of this version took the word from the Latin Vulgate,[4] which translated הֵילֵל by the Latin word lucifer (uncapitalized),[5][6] meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".
"Lucifer ([url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English]/ˈljuːsɪfər/ LEW-si-fər) is a name that, according to dictionaries of the English language, refers either to the Devil or to the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star.[1][2][3]
Quote:that's right you are not very smart, you don't check your sources and you never ever look anything up.. you just go with what sounds good from others who feel as you do.
Obviously I'm a GREAT threat to your nonsensical world of fundy ignorance.
LMAO. Now look who's trying kill the messenger. Unfortunately for you, I have an education, and all you have is a Fundy 3rd Grade education in the Bible.
Do you read Archaic Hebrew ? Obviously not. Greek ? Obviously not. I read and write both. You you read cuneiform ? LOL
You're nothing but a self-appointed total amateur, suffering from : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2...ger_effect
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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