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Poll: What is wrong with theist beliefs?
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What is wrong with theistic beliefs?
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RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs?
(November 17, 2018 at 4:38 pm)Aliza Wrote:
(November 17, 2018 at 6:56 am)Rahn127 Wrote: First I'll address the spoiler. At the most basic level, theists think a god exists. That's the common thread among all theists, by definition.

After that any theist can hold any number of beliefs about anything involving their god, their religion, etc.

Yes, there is something wrong when you hold a belief to be true without any supporting evidence. When a large segment of a voting population share a common delusion or large segments of a population have different confrontational delusions, this is never good for a productive, law abiding society.

And when you mix delusional laws that they believe were given to them by their imaginary god with secular laws, you often don't get a well behaved individual.

You get someone who wants to impose their delusions upon others and wants to inact their delusional laws upon the rest of society.

Believing whatever you want is fine if you're living on an island by yourself, but people tend to interact with each other. We have to work together and it helps if we all can agree on what is real and what is fantasy.

Because when the jesus freaks try to kill you in hopes of saving your soul, it doesn't make for a productive society.

Suppose a segment of the voting population votes in favor of civil rights because their religious beliefs say that all people are the same while another group of voters believe that Hitler’s evidence for racial supremacy holds water and they vote to support legislation to suppress non-white races. Neo-Nazis think they have evidence, not faith.

I just don’t see theism as the root of all the world’s problems. I think assholery is the problem and yes, theists can be real assholes. –But so can other groups of people.

You may beg to differ, and I have no doubt that you will, but theism is one of few systematic and massive bringers of harm without any corresponding benefit in terms of utility to the here and now.



(November 17, 2018 at 5:51 pm)Aliza Wrote: I guess my point is that if the believers in question were going to do something shitty, it was independent of what the book said.

Magic book acts as an accelerant to an already burning flame. Something about truth, objective morals, and transcendant values that can never be altered or negotiated.



(November 17, 2018 at 8:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Following falsehood at the end, to stick to idols in the form scholars or clergy, will not be accepted by God. Muslims, Jews, Christians, are all the same in this respect.  And those who strive and begin to break these idols, they will follow the truth of the light of the Prophets and Guiding Kings for their people, but one must prioritize obeying God.

You can't knowingly disobey God to obey people.  And Muslims and Shiites as well, are notorious for this.  They abandon God's book when having to a make decision between following their clergy or Quran. And it hasn't lead to unity either, but more and more divisions.

Idols in the heart; had they loved God more, they would have disobeyed their clergy and commanded the good that they know God commanded and forbid the evil they know God forbid.

Oh look, ole crazy is back.
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What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Whateverist - November 16, 2018 at 7:04 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Chad32 - November 16, 2018 at 7:10 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Whateverist - November 16, 2018 at 7:18 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Angrboda - November 16, 2018 at 7:36 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Minimalist - November 16, 2018 at 8:36 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Chicken - November 16, 2018 at 8:54 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by vulcanlogician - November 16, 2018 at 8:55 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Grandizer - November 16, 2018 at 9:01 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Ravenshire - November 16, 2018 at 9:31 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Angrboda - November 16, 2018 at 9:41 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by KevinM1 - November 16, 2018 at 9:50 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by vulcanlogician - November 16, 2018 at 9:55 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Whateverist - November 16, 2018 at 9:55 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 10:00 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Angrboda - November 16, 2018 at 10:11 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 16, 2018 at 10:15 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Whateverist - November 16, 2018 at 10:26 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 10:17 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 16, 2018 at 10:20 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Whateverist - November 16, 2018 at 10:24 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by KevinM1 - November 17, 2018 at 12:41 am
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Angrboda - November 17, 2018 at 9:35 am
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 10:25 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Gwaithmir - November 16, 2018 at 10:32 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 10:33 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Rahn127 - November 16, 2018 at 11:04 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 11:05 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by vulcanlogician - November 16, 2018 at 11:24 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Silver - November 16, 2018 at 11:22 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by MysticKnight - November 17, 2018 at 12:44 am
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Aliza - November 17, 2018 at 1:13 am
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Rahn127 - November 17, 2018 at 6:56 am
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Aliza - November 17, 2018 at 4:38 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Angrboda - November 17, 2018 at 8:27 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Reltzik - November 17, 2018 at 7:18 am
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Whateverist - November 17, 2018 at 9:30 am
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Huggy Bear - November 17, 2018 at 8:31 am
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Aliza - November 17, 2018 at 5:21 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Whateverist - November 17, 2018 at 5:18 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Whateverist - November 17, 2018 at 5:45 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Aliza - November 17, 2018 at 5:51 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Whateverist - November 17, 2018 at 5:56 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Aliza - November 17, 2018 at 6:09 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Aliza - November 17, 2018 at 6:19 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Whateverist - November 17, 2018 at 6:28 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Aliza - November 17, 2018 at 6:52 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Whateverist - November 17, 2018 at 8:59 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Aliza - November 17, 2018 at 6:23 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Aliza - November 17, 2018 at 6:55 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by MysticKnight - November 17, 2018 at 8:21 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by MysticKnight - November 17, 2018 at 9:18 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Fireball - November 17, 2018 at 10:05 pm
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by energizer bunny - November 30, 2018 at 12:12 am
RE: What is wrong with theistic beliefs? - by Gwaithmir - November 30, 2018 at 5:04 am

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