Would They Die for a Lie?

[Drich]

those names where links to the wiki pages on ths guys on their pages are links to their works

but I found a compiled list here from the burning of rome wiki page this can be found at the bottom under references.:
Notes and references[edit]

1. ^ "Great Fire of Rome". National Geographic Society. 18 June 2014.
   
2. ^ Dando-Collins, Stephen (September 2010). The Great Fire of Rome. Da Capo Press. ISBN 978-0-306-81890-5.
   
3. ^ Cassius Dio,
   
4. ^ Suetonius. "Life of Nero". Lives of Twelve Caesars.
   
5. ^ Tacitus, Annal XV.38–44
   
6. ^ Jump up to:a  Tacitus, Annals XV.38–9
   
7. ^ Tacitus, Annals XV.44
   

Bibliography[edit]

• Cassius Dio, Roman History, Books 62 ( 229)
  
  
• Suetonius, The Lives of Twelve Caesars, the Life of Nero, 38 ( 121)
  
  
• Tacitus, Annals, XV ( 117)
  

Well, thank you for the additional information, Drich.  Unfortunately the only thing which leads to something specific is the National Geographic link, which provides little useful information.  I think you have misunderstood me.  I am looking for links to actual documents from the authors you cite, and preferably relevant quotes from those documents, specifically regarding persecution of Christians in the first century, including Nero, if relevant.  I'll have to reread the Pliny letter, but you and Jehanne appear to be talking past one another.  As far as I can see, the Pliny letter documents a limited pogrom against Christians, and doesn't document how widespread the actual oppression was or how many were killed or whatever as a result.  I understand that you think that the exception proves the rule here, in that this specific advice implies a greater widespread norm of persecution of Christians, but I'm not sure that holds, specifically in the absence of documentation of such.  It is the question of whether there was widespread persecution of Christians throughout the first century, and on into the following centuries, or whether there weren't pockets of persecution such as the Pliny letter alludes to.  Both claims can be correct.  Pliny can document specific persecutions, but not secure the conclusion of widespread persecution.  Again, I'll have to reread the letter, but if you could provide additional quotes and documents citing persecution of Christians in the early centuries, that would go a long way toward establishing your claim.  It's worthy of note that the only alleged example of persecution in the bible is that of Saint Stephen, and that wasn't for refusal to deny his beliefs.  At the very least, given that bible documents cover a substantial portion of the first century, it's odd that more examples of persecution aren't present.  (Jesus, himself, is arguably another example, but I'm not sure that helps consolidate the case.)

(Note:  The Cassius Dio and Seutonius references are dead links, and the Tacitus link is just a general link to his Roman Histories.)

I don't know what to tell you the links work for me. yes the links to tactius is a link to his completed works all you need do is look up Annal 15: entry 38-44

every single link works this way. you can simply type in or cut and paste the whole reference and pasted it into google and it will direct you to an active source for example tactius annals 15:41:
But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man's cruelty, that they were being destroyed.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/Tacitus/TacitusAnnals15.html

and another source for Gae bologna: this is another secular Roman source that not only identifies Christ but his torture and crucifixion at the hands of pontius pilate.

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show me an active one that isn't. show me one where the believer doesn't get anything for service and worship

Here's about 26 of them. 
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/texas-church-shooting


Actually the lie, was that they died. Persecution was invented. Dr. Moss is a Christian.
https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Persecution-...0062104551

Dying for a lie, is nothing. Ask the 9/11 bombers.

they did not die for a lie. they died to destabilize america financially and to bring us into a war that ultimately bankrupted russia in the 1980s. . they succeeded to a degree, in that we have been in an almost 15 year depression thanks to trump we have been given at least a 2 year break from.. we have been at war longer than we ever have with a single enmey. Which again trump seems to be taking us away from.

I don't know what you mean by 26 dead.. or why a mass murder of christians is funny to you.

as far as your little link to anti christian propaganda. it's been brought up several times now and shot down with quotations from 1 century eye witness accounts from letters from the Emperor of Rome to a regional governor with orders to execute all known/verified christians to roman historians recording the burning of rome and emperor nero blaming the christians and the horrible ways they were killed. Again all first and second century source material from secular historians or first person accounts trumps any bull shite commentary people with an obvious bias and fake history have to say.