(January 28, 2019 at 6:41 pm)Yonadav Wrote: I didn't spin anything around so that xenophobia is the fault of the left and not the right. I can see how you might have read that into my remark about some politicians using anti-immigrant rhetoric in areas where organized labor is strong. But just because you can read that into it, doesn't mean that is what I meant. Sure, organized labor has some problems with mass immigration, but that's not what is responsible for such naked nativism as we are currently seeing.
Who tried to make it seem that Obama was more anti-immigration than Trump? I said that Obama was arguably tougher on immigrants than George W.
I try to be careful with impressions about posters in these discussions, because they can be very misleading. But I am under the impression that you believe that I have become soured with the left. I'm not. I am as staunchly left as I have ever been. As the left has grown in popularity, we have been overrun by a large number of illiberal people who don't actually know their right from their left. And they aren't interested in learning the difference. And I get exasperated with them.
The specific passage I was referring to was: "[Trump] almost certainly isn't sincere about his anti-immigrant stance. He just bashes immigrants because it plays well with his base."
And for the record, my "soured with the left" part was actually talking about me, and specifically referring to not the ideals of the left (which I still consider, at my most idealistic, something to aspire to, and, at my most cynical, the lesser of two evils [the greater of which being the sort of horseshit that Trump is pandering to]), but the, as you put it, illiberal people who seem to have overrun it (at least on social media networks).
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