(March 13, 2019 at 2:00 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(March 13, 2019 at 1:45 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You need to read up on this a bit more.
This has nothing to do with the topic.
Both of these definitions of secular are wrong.
This has nothing to do with the topic.
But we aren't talking about antiquity. What is wrong with you?
Commons. But that has nothing to do with the topic.
Why antiquity again?
What does this have to do with the election of Popes?
Boru
"Secular" as defined by the religious, you''d be right.
"Secular" in the objective root you'd be wrong.
"Sect" literally is the same prefix as "section". Just like a pie graph, has different sized sections.
The kingships of antiquity were not "secular" but "sectarian". It is why even today, there is an uneasy truce between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland. despite a more secular England today. Even Europe in the middle ages was full of different kingships whom ascribed to different sects of Christianity, not just Italy under the Vatican. In the middle ages, the different sects of Christianity fought each other in much the same way today we still see Sunnis and Shiites fight in the middle east. One can only argue certain ruling families were less violent than others. But all of them regardless based their success on God guiding them.
"Secular" today, does not mean anti religion, but pro neutrality, pro equality, pro common law. At the same time unfortunately "secular" still means godless to the fundamentalists right wing.
It is the same misunderstanding of modern Cuba or even North Korea. Cuba is not a godless society, it is a majority Catholic. And even North Korea is sectarian. It has it's own worship of party and ancestors and is hardly neutral in politics.
"Sectarian" means a section of a population. "Secular" means neutral. The founders envisioned a secular nation, not a nation that favored one religion over another.
I don't need you - of all people - to lecture me on the meaning of 'sectarian'.
Stop trying to obscure your crass mistake and look up the meaning of 'secular'. It means 'worldly' as opposed to 'religious'. It does not and never has meant 'neutral' or 'pro equality' or 'pro common law'. The fact that the overwhelming majority of secularists support these ideals doesn't change the meaning of 'secular'.
The next time a right wing fundamentalist tells you that secular means 'godless', have the balls to tell him, 'You're more right than you know.'
Boru
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