RE: Why do cardinals get to elect the Pope?
March 13, 2019 at 3:15 pm
(This post was last modified: March 13, 2019 at 3:21 pm by Brian37.)
(March 13, 2019 at 2:52 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(March 13, 2019 at 2:00 pm)Brian37 Wrote: "Secular" as defined by the religious, you''d be right.
"Secular" in the objective root you'd be wrong.
"Sect" literally is the same prefix as "section". Just like a pie graph, has different sized sections.
The kingships of antiquity were not "secular" but "sectarian". It is why even today, there is an uneasy truce between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland. despite a more secular England today. Even Europe in the middle ages was full of different kingships whom ascribed to different sects of Christianity, not just Italy under the Vatican. In the middle ages, the different sects of Christianity fought each other in much the same way today we still see Sunnis and Shiites fight in the middle east. One can only argue certain ruling families were less violent than others. But all of them regardless based their success on God guiding them.
"Secular" today, does not mean anti religion, but pro neutrality, pro equality, pro common law. At the same time unfortunately "secular" still means godless to the fundamentalists right wing.
It is the same misunderstanding of modern Cuba or even North Korea. Cuba is not a godless society, it is a majority Catholic. And even North Korea is sectarian. It has it's own worship of party and ancestors and is hardly neutral in politics.
"Sectarian" means a section of a population. "Secular" means neutral. The founders envisioned a secular nation, not a nation that favored one religion over another.
I don't need you - of all people - to lecture me on the meaning of 'sectarian'.
Stop trying to obscure your crass mistake and look up the meaning of 'secular'. It means 'worldly' as opposed to 'religious'. It does not and never has meant 'neutral' or 'pro equality' or 'pro common law'. The fact that the overwhelming majority of secularists support these ideals doesn't change the meaning of 'secular'.
The next time a right wing fundamentalist tells you that secular means 'godless', have the balls to tell him, 'You're more right than you know.'
Boru
Sect, is the prefix of "section".
Our founders never intended a social pecking order putting one religious sect over another. Thus they wrote the first Amendment and "no religious test" in our oath of office.
Sunni is a SECTION of Islam. Shiite is a SECTION of Islam. Catholic is a section of Christianity. Baptist is a section of Christianity.
"Secular" as defined by the assholes who started the cold war scare, means "godless". It has been wrongfully vilified and twisted to the modern meaning the religious right still tries to scare people with.
It does not wash knowing that the former Soviet Union was ALWAYS and still is Russia today, a Russian Orthodox Christian majority. Cuba again, also has never lacked religion. It has always been a Catholic majority.
Hitler too, ruled over German Christians who put him in office.
All of those are examples of SECTARIAN VIEWS.
"Secular" means neutral, pro equality. "Secular" does not mean a call to ban religion. It merely means not to set up social pecking orders mandated by government.
