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Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?
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RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus?
(March 19, 2019 at 11:10 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Have a look at this link:

Did Paul believe in a spiritual resurrection?

Some posters support your POV, while others do not.  Still, it gives a nice synopsis of the different POVs.  As I allude to above, I think that Paul, in those letters that are authentic to him, was speaking of phantom bodies, a spiritual resurrection as opposed to a physical one.  In particular, Paul in 1st Corinthians 15 alludes to Jesus' burial, but stops after that.  Likely, the story of the "empty tomb" had not yet been invented yet, or at least was still in its proto-stages of development.  If Paul had known about such an "event," he would have mentioned it.
Yes, this is the soma pneumatikon issue I mentioned above. It follows predictable lines- non-physicalists starting with the translations into English with the physicalists replying by explaining what the Greek actually means, which the normal English translations don't capture at all well in their need to be concise. The person who wrote an academic paper on it confirms the physicalist POV to be correct.

I assume that is the 'phantom body' thing you mention.

The other issues I raise weren't discussed on the thread.

Paul has no good reason to mention the empty tomb. He's summarising the teaching he gave them when present previously in a pastoral letter, to put right a misunderstanding about the resurrection body. Given that the empty tomb is a necessary condition for a physical resurrection, both him and the Corinthians would have taken it as read.
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Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Fake Messiah - March 16, 2019 at 10:22 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Gwaithmir - March 16, 2019 at 12:25 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by chimp3 - March 16, 2019 at 12:53 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by chimp3 - March 16, 2019 at 4:53 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by no one - March 16, 2019 at 3:17 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Peterkin - March 16, 2019 at 3:20 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Fake Messiah - March 16, 2019 at 3:22 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by drfuzzy - March 16, 2019 at 3:50 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Fake Messiah - March 16, 2019 at 4:49 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by fredd bear - March 16, 2019 at 6:51 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by chimp3 - March 16, 2019 at 7:24 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by fredd bear - March 16, 2019 at 9:30 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by chimp3 - March 16, 2019 at 9:49 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by fredd bear - March 16, 2019 at 10:50 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Vicki Q - March 17, 2019 at 3:45 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Jehanne - March 17, 2019 at 11:25 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by brewer - March 18, 2019 at 6:41 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Fake Messiah - March 18, 2019 at 6:50 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by chimp3 - March 18, 2019 at 7:08 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Jehanne - March 18, 2019 at 8:13 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by fredd bear - March 18, 2019 at 10:10 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by chimp3 - March 17, 2019 at 3:50 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by fredd bear - March 17, 2019 at 5:48 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Vicki Q - March 18, 2019 at 3:34 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Fake Messiah - March 19, 2019 at 1:30 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Vicki Q - March 19, 2019 at 6:31 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Jehanne - March 19, 2019 at 11:10 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Vicki Q - March 20, 2019 at 3:53 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Fake Messiah - March 20, 2019 at 6:44 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Draconic Aiur - March 17, 2019 at 11:40 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Jehanne - March 18, 2019 at 7:03 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by fredd bear - March 18, 2019 at 7:45 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Jehanne - March 18, 2019 at 10:39 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by fredd bear - March 19, 2019 at 2:26 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Vicki Q - March 20, 2019 at 3:06 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by fredd bear - March 20, 2019 at 11:59 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Vicki Q - March 21, 2019 at 6:37 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by fredd bear - March 21, 2019 at 11:38 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Vicki Q - March 24, 2019 at 12:40 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Fake Messiah - March 22, 2019 at 4:45 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Jehanne - March 22, 2019 at 11:59 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Drich - March 19, 2019 at 9:49 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Fake Messiah - March 19, 2019 at 2:07 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Drich - March 19, 2019 at 2:40 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Fake Messiah - March 19, 2019 at 3:11 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Drich - March 21, 2019 at 11:25 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by fredd bear - March 19, 2019 at 5:57 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Jehanne - March 20, 2019 at 3:52 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Won2blv - March 20, 2019 at 4:18 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Fake Messiah - March 21, 2019 at 1:50 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by The Valkyrie - March 24, 2019 at 12:58 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Jehanne - March 24, 2019 at 8:35 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Fake Messiah - March 25, 2019 at 4:22 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Vicki Q - March 25, 2019 at 7:07 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Fake Messiah - March 26, 2019 at 4:27 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Jehanne - March 26, 2019 at 8:35 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Jehanne - March 25, 2019 at 9:18 am
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by fredd bear - March 27, 2019 at 9:05 pm
RE: Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? - by Aliza - March 28, 2019 at 5:32 pm

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