(August 26, 2019 at 11:24 am)Drich Wrote:(August 20, 2019 at 3:31 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Then "prayer" according to you consists of only one prayer and is thus useless for anything. Just mindless repetition of useless formulaic words that have become so automatic that they have lost all meaning.
And of course, you took that from your magic book out of context. When asked in said stupid book, jesus provided an illustrative example, not a proscriptive instruction. You are so dense you can't grok that.
ah, no.
the prayer offer by Jesus is a out line that has the person praying seeking change and discovery of God and his will for them. The reveal of God or the appearance of God in a life of a believer via the holy Spirit changes everything.
This is what we are to pray for.
Okay, I'll bite.
So, petition is shown now to work, so you claim that petition is not promised (though it is, if you have enough faith).
You claim that prayer is only about the holy spirit entering your life. That is news to most Christians. Why should I trust your interpretation?
Can you show that the holy spirit exists, and provides for a provably better life compared to those of a differing philosophy or religion? If I pray for my imaginary friend Bob to enter my life, and I believe in Bob, and Bob's innate goodness to guide my life, does that provide any more or less benefit than Jesus?
