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10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence
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RE: 10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence
(January 7, 2020 at 10:16 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(January 7, 2020 at 5:57 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: He created us in it to test us via our response to good events and bad events.
The universe is the perfect environment for that: it hammers all creations with good events -like food- and bad events -like hunger-.
Thus Allah is not omniscient.
He is fair and just, thus we must do the deed before we get judged.
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(January 7, 2020 at 5:57 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Humans would live for a certain time in it, then die; with a record written by God for how each of us responded.
Thus Allah is not omnipotent. He has no choice but to make a record of events he cannot predict.

No. But as I told you in the previous point he is just and fair.
#note: "Just" is a trait of his; it is attributed to him in the Quran.

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(January 7, 2020 at 5:57 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Then each shall go to either hell or paradise, depending on their record.
Thus Allah is not omnibenevolent. Why should finite "sins" result in infinite torment?


"omnibenevolent" is not a correct word thus I didn't understand what you mean by it.
The torture isn't infinite, but subject to his will. Though it is extremely long -by long I mean eons-.
Who knows -except God- what the effect of sins is? Remember "The Butterfly Effect" and its famous phrase: "The flap of a butterfly’s wings in Brazil set off a tornado in Texas"

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(January 7, 2020 at 5:57 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I think hell can be this long long long hellish end of the universe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o...far_future
Thus Allah has no control over any outcome, and nobody goes to hell.

No. The winners will be taken by God to paradise.
The damned would remain behind to suffer the eons atop of eons in hell.

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(January 7, 2020 at 5:57 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Losers in the test would remain in this universe, while winners would go to another universe.
In our lifetimes?

No, after death.

(January 8, 2020 at 3:02 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(January 7, 2020 at 5:37 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: "Butterfly Effect" shows the massive amount of fragility in our reality; nothing too "mighty" would change because of something so small.
For the second time: No it does not!

It has nothing to do with the effects on our universe by changing fundamenal constants. It has nothing to do with the *fragility* (whatever you mean by that) of our reality. Our reality is actually pretty stable, for some 14bio years now.

What the butterfly effect shows is the effects by changing the starting conditions of complex, nonlinear systems (= our reality). The preconditions are changed, and the system is given. What you are referring to is changing the (behaviour of the) system itself, not the preconditions. Thats fundamentally not the same Facepalm

Applying the butterfly effect on the universe would rather be something like: Adding more (Or less) mass, or temperature, or whatever, with the fundamental laws of phsics being the same.

Changing fundamental constants =!= changing preconditions

Matter in fact; there is a time when a second big bang might occur -according the theory of The Big Crunch-:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

Actually if our deeds do affect the world, then they would also affect how the next big bang would happen: its magnitude, its productions too.

Making our deeds changing for our future.
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10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence - by Otangelo - January 3, 2020 at 11:50 am
RE: 10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence - by Ranjr - January 3, 2020 at 12:39 pm
RE: 10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence - by Ranjr - January 3, 2020 at 2:23 pm
RE: 10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence - by no one - January 7, 2020 at 12:06 am
RE: 10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence - by WinterHold - January 9, 2020 at 6:03 pm
RE: 10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence - by Ranjr - January 7, 2020 at 6:03 pm

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