[Serious] How many reasonable solutions are there to any particular social issue?

[The Grand Nudger]

Gae,

I was simply using Christian as an example of why I would be potentially opposed to religious humanism.

The trouble is that there's nothing in religious humanism that can be analogized to christianity aside from..perhaps, negative unintended consequences.  It's possible for a humanist (of any kind) to do a bad thing for a good reason...as the christian in your analogy did, ofc.

Simply put I don't see any reason for religious humanism because religion already has the value of humans baked into the framework (The value of human being variable across different sects of religion but nevertheless baked into the framework), whereas secular by itself is merely a negation of religion much like atheist is merely a negation of a god belief. This necessitates the pairing of the words to actually express a direction instead of just a negation.

Secularism is not a negation of religion.  It's resistance to the influence of religion -for religions own sake- in government and social norm setting.  No secular humanist rejects the value of exercise because a christian might believe that our body is a temple - for example.  Atheism, likewise, is not a negation of god belief - but the fact that some people don't believe in them.  

There is no difference in direction between religious and secular humanism.  A religious humanist believes...as you believe..that christianity's magic book does not warrant a place at the value setting table.

I've long felt that Atheism is headless and bodyless and it IS because it really is just the answer to, "Do you believe in some form of god?" answer no therefore you are an atheist.

Ok, great what did you gain? freedom I guess certainly it breaks the delusional framework of the religion that held you thrall for so long.

What was lost? In my case, I was a Nazarene from McMinnville, Or., I lost all the connections to people within the church. No more pot lucks, bible studies, ski trips, services (after which we would often go out to eat). Boiled down I would say I lost community.

Community. This is what is missing from Atheism+, Secular Humanism, Yoism(this is some wooey bullshit but is at least inclusive to atheists). I see this thread will probably never lurch past the definition stage. I've started a few threads like this myself and either I got a flat rejection of the idea of Church for Atheists or within the same thread some very good points on what should we ally around?

It is headless and bodyless. People with as little in common as a 6th century bc indian guru and yourself think the same things, as far as atheism is concerned. You won't be surprised to find that you disagree on nearly everything else, I'm sure.

Religious humanism, is a thing, and it is a religion, and it doesn't say anything different from "regular humanism" or "secular humanism". It's not headless. It's a credible voting bloc that would probably snipe away voters from what we consider to be the "not-secular" camp. That's the thing that I think we need to find some agreement on, before we're talking about the same thing. I'm not talking about -and wasn't asking you about- why you would be against a christian ideology informing society or government. It's all these things because it is humanism, not because it is religious - in your parlance, though in mine and durkheims there's no difference. It makes a claim that unites all who accept the claim into a moral whole.

I was asking why you would be against your own - which just so happens to be amenable to, can be, has been, and is...a religion all of it's own. Not in some novel sense. Officially, but yes..also..very well represented in the body of literature and cogently argued (for and against) by it's opponnents and it's adherents. Can you imagine any reason why you would be against humanist principles, values, and conclusions informing your society or government, so that you can claim to be "secular" towards -them-..in the same way that you are "secular" towards christian principles, values, or conclusions?

I ask this, because humanists -are- a community, bound by a set of defined beliefs in order to be humanists. You lost your christian community. Which, through centuries of social engineering has come to dominate the social sphere, but nothing about being a secular humanist seperates you from the community of humanists - of which, there are religious humanists - a claim on reality that binds you all. I guess there isn't much of one, but anti-humanist communities (which include christians by default) have taken it upon themselves to diminish or eradicate those communities...so........