RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks
July 5, 2020 at 2:48 pm
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2020 at 3:21 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
(July 5, 2020 at 3:53 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Firstoff, please give a definition of "slavery" in order to avoid confusion. I suspect you are using this term in a very loose context, so your analogies will fly.1. I suggest you look up the term wage slavery as it is a valid economic term and is hardly obscure ever read Noam Chomsky
(July 4, 2020 at 10:43 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: A plantation owner makers takes all the risk when opening a plantation and buying slaves .Does that make his profits moral ?False analogy
(July 4, 2020 at 10:43 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Nope wage slaveryFalse analogy, but please elaborate and demonstrate this to be more than just that if you wish.
(July 4, 2020 at 10:43 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Oh goodie in get to choose between slave masters on which one will fuck me over .Doubling down on false analogy, after it being pointed out.
(July 4, 2020 at 10:43 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Some you go from slave to slave owner ? Does this justify Capitalism ?Straw man, based on a false analogy and shifting burden of proof.
(July 4, 2020 at 10:43 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Slaves can be materially well off and historically many have been .False analogy for the upteenth time, making your objection irrelevant, for the upteenth time.
(July 4, 2020 at 10:43 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Nazi Germany innovated in fact any economic system has innovated so nothing special hereWith the problem being, that "Nazi Germany" was no economic system.
Thank you for providing further evidence for Godwins law however.
(July 4, 2020 at 10:43 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Yup into slaveryFalse analogy, gross oversimplification respectively (on both sides).
But please, if you wish, elaborate on "wage slavery" in every capitalist system.
(July 4, 2020 at 10:43 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Most of it's economy is privately owned and most of it's problems are caused by internal corruption that's existed for decades .Which is irrelevant to the general question if capitalism is a morally defensible economic system. Silly argument from both sides, again
(July 4, 2020 at 10:43 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: South Korea has had huge amounts of government control over it's economy .Trying to prop it up as a success of Capitalism is laughableTrue, but the bigger problem with that silly analogy is that any country/economy looks good compared to NK.
Your schtick of "capitalism= slavery and slavery = bad" is laughably simple and laughably wrong, just as any ANCAP (i didnt bother to check if those arguments really are part of ANCAP, and giving you the benefit of doubt not to be dishonest here) arguments you tried to counter. Countering bad arguments with equally bad ones is not a good strategy, imho.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slave...immediate.
2.It's not a false analogy if justification for a system and the profits earned from that system and justification is that both the capitalist and plantation both put risk into the plantation or business (including the slaves ) Then it''s fair to ask if one would justify slavery the same way they would justify capitalism
3.Being told to work or starve is wage slavery. It's not my fault you don't know that term
4.It's not doubling down you realize former slaves became slave owners
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ellison
5.Strawman of who? It's not a false analogy .Nor am i shifting the burden of proof
6.Not a false analogy WAGE SLAVERY IS A VALID TERM and can be compared to chattel slavery in a number of ways .
7.The analogy still works because relevant point was innovation the point being evil or immoral systems can innovate thus innovation alone cannot justify a system as good . Seriously how did you not get that? ,And godwin's law doesn't apply because i'm not saying Capitalism is like Nazi Germany i was point out that just because Nazi innovated didn't make them good . I could just as easily used the USSR or Golden Age Islam the Nazi bit really wasn't needed but it was example of such a system .
8.If you already validity of wage slavery (a term you should looked up before commenting if you felt i didn't describe thought didn't think i needed too as it's a common leftist term ) And you accept communism has lifted people out of poverty China and India as examples capitalists
9.No it's not . The Capitalist argues the justification for capitalism is it's ability to provide necessities for people and Venezuela's poverty and lack of resource is a result of what happens when Capitalism is absent in a society . While Capitalist critic will point out that those problems stem from corruption not a lack of capitalism
10.No that's not the problem . The Capitalist argues that South Korea success is due to the presence of capitalism and North Korea's is a lack of capitalism .The Capitalist Critic will point out it wasn't Capitalism that made South Korea prosperous nor by the way is a lack of Capitalism North Korea's problem
So to sum up you managed misunderstand pretty much every point i made . Made no effort to understand a common academically valid term central to the post . But came in guns ablazing anyway
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