RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks
July 5, 2020 at 4:35 pm
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2020 at 5:42 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:As i suspected *sigh*, not even an attempt of defining slavery. Just the false equivocation(s) and poor analogies based on those. So i am asking you to give definition of the term for the context in which you use it.As i suspected not even a attempt at understanding my definition of slavery though i linked whole wiki on it . Just accusing me fallacies i have not committed. And i already answered it's in the freaking article i linked .But if you need a piffy quote
Quote:Wage slaveryNo i'm not claiming that . For a guy who claims to know what the term wage slavery means you think you understand that it's not every worker who works for a wage . But yes Capitalism requires wage slavery .
Your original claim was that "capitalism is wage slavery". Are you claiming, maintaining the claim that every employee who works for a wage is a *slave*? If so, you need to define your usage of the term *slavery*
Quote:Comparison of plantation ownersYes it does both the Capitalist and the Plantation owner justify their exploitation and the exploitative system their part of by arguing they take the risk so they should keep the profits of the exploitation
The original claim you tried to refute was "Capitalist take all the risk thus they should make the profits they do". That has nothing to do with slavery, just with a risk/reward assessment.
Quote:. No One but you claimed that capitalists need slaves to make profit, just like plantation owners. Asking for justification of your equivocation /strawman leads nowhere.Unless your telling me Capitalism doesn't require workers (wage slaves or a least of subset of workers who are wage slaves ) to exploit just as the plantation required chattel slaves . I don't know what to say to such silliness . But that wasn't the point the point was both use risk and investment as justification of their exploitation and there keeping of profits from said exploitation . So no my analogy was more than adequate
Quote:Being told to work or starve is wage slaveryUnless you're telling me you don't need money to live and the acquisition of that money is totally voluntary without any negative consequences to your socio economic conditions then you must live in a utopia, So no it's not to broad a brush unless your going to tell no poverty results from not working it stands (Starve wasn't referring to food it was referring to socio economic deprivation )
I don't know where you live, but in my country we aren't forced to work or starve. I could stop working tomorrow and would never starve, and i am living in a country with a capitalist economy.
Yes there are capitalist systems where that is the case, but not all of them. Sorry, your brush is way to broad.
Quote:In reference to your 8.: Are you claiming that China is a good example of communism lifting people out of poverty? Maybe there is a language barrier.Capitalists argue that Capitalism has lifted people out of poverty in China (China hasn't been a pure communist country in decades ) The critic will point out that the only that's occurred is by essentially pushing their population into wage slavery (the capitalist owned sweatshops ) So the trade is hardly a moral one .
Quote:But, yes i know what wage slavery is, thank you for the condescension.It wasn't condescension .You didn't seem to have any clue what it meant (and still don't seem to because you keep asking to define the slavery part)
Quote: Maybe you should realize that we are not in the late 19th century anymore.It applies just as much to 21 century as 19th century . Unless you're telling to say Capitalism has become more benevolent in the 21st century .
Quote:Since i am not a Noam Chomsky worshipper (although i have read quite a bit of him) i am not very impressed by your name dropping.I don't worship him i respect him, And i wasn't dropping names as he's a great deal of work on this subject and is a good source for understanding it
Quote: I pretty much understood what your point was, particularly when i said your modus operandi is "slavery = bad, capitalism = slavery --> capitalism = bad),No you apparently don't my point was every moral defense of capitalism is not because of capitalism or could equally be used to justify an evil or immoral system. Paired with the fact Capitalism is a exploitative and results in wage slavery .
Quote:because thats exactly what you conveyed, didnt you? "Nope
Quote:Talking about misunderstanding and lack of effort: You should reflect on your usage of the term *slave* and or give a definition of the term in the context you are using it.My use of slavery is fine as is the context so there is nothing to reflect on . You on the other hand have a lot of work ahead of you . Though you say you read Chomsky who literally does side by side of capitalism similarities to chattel slavery and other forms of slavery .Or
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Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
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