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Stupid Capitalist Tricks
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RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks
(July 6, 2020 at 10:11 am)SUNGULA Wrote:
Quote:#1 slavery
*classic* slavery and *modern wage work* are not remotely the same. Imho it is a serious mistake of equivocation which does no favour at all to the workers and their case. That being said, i agree that in some places, under certain conditions workers have to endure slave-like environments, and this needs to be adressed.
1.They really are very similar and classic slavery ? you realize there has been more than one kind of slavery ?

Is the difference pay ? What's the difference the material between wages and the material compensation slaves received hell some slaves were able to make money  . Slaves in Brazil were often quite materially well off . 

Is it being sold ? What's difference between being sold into slavery and selling yourself into it vai (selling your labour) You do realize that in Greece , Rome in even some of the Atlantic slave states people willingly sold themselves into slavery  

Is it ownership? . What's difference between being owned by one master as opposed to a whole system that is made up of masters 

Is it force ? I would call poverty a form of force and one artificially created 

I could keep going . You say they are different but provide no differences . You say i conflate but were ?
I think i already have told it. I am living in a country with a capitalist economy. One which is fairly strongl yregulated, resulting in what we call a "Free market Economy". Still its based on capitalism.
I work for a wage. I dont feel enslaved, and i am factually not enslaved. Noone forces me to work, not even indirectly. If i wante dto stop workign i could do it within 3 months after i quite my job. Sure i couldt keep my standard of living, but i would still have  aroof on top of my head and wouldnt starve.

Your claim clearly fails, i am the very thing that disproves you.

Where do you conflate? At the point where you conflate classic slaves who were property of their owners, all of them, their well being notwithstanding, and on the other side are epeople (like me) who work for a wage and arent owned in any way by anyone, who arent all *enslaved*, only in certain places. You are conflating twice, once the situation where all are enslaved to where only some are enslaved, which is not the same. Then you conflate owning someone as property with someone sellig his workforce. I chose to work, because i like to afford certain things, not because i would have to starve to death otherwise. I also work because i like to be productive.



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Quote:#2 Capitalism
I have similar objections here. You cant flat out say that capitalism is bad and necessarily involves *slavery* (as you are using the term, see #1). We have lots of economies based on capitalism, with decent and effective regulations. The brush you are painting with is way to broad imh
Yes i can if capitalism requires wage slaves and wage slavery is a form of slavery then yes i can . Slavery also had regulations on how you could treat slaves etc . Regulated slavery is still slavery.
You cant because everything after the "if" just isnt, thats the issue. You just keep stomping your feet.

Its useless.
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Messages In This Thread
Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by The Architect Of Fate - July 4, 2020 at 10:43 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by ignoramus - July 4, 2020 at 11:02 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by downbeatplumb - July 5, 2020 at 4:30 am
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by ignoramus - July 7, 2020 at 10:45 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by Deesse23 - July 5, 2020 at 3:53 am
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by Deesse23 - July 5, 2020 at 3:31 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by brewer - July 5, 2020 at 5:49 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by brewer - July 6, 2020 at 12:06 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by brewer - July 6, 2020 at 3:20 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by brewer - July 6, 2020 at 7:49 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by Anomalocaris - July 6, 2020 at 8:35 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by purplepurpose - July 5, 2020 at 6:05 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by downbeatplumb - July 6, 2020 at 1:49 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by Sal - July 5, 2020 at 11:02 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by The Architect Of Fate - July 5, 2020 at 11:25 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by Deesse23 - July 6, 2020 at 9:19 am
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by Silver - July 6, 2020 at 9:25 am
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by The Architect Of Fate - July 6, 2020 at 10:11 am
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by Deesse23 - July 6, 2020 at 11:43 am
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by Brian37 - July 6, 2020 at 11:43 am
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by Anomalocaris - July 6, 2020 at 12:56 pm
RE: Stupid Capitalist Tricks - by TaraJo - July 6, 2020 at 9:33 pm

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