RE: With UAE deal, Israel opens tentative new chapter with Gulf Arabs
August 23, 2020 at 10:40 pm
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(August 23, 2020 at 9:52 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:Quote:No, science is the collaboration of all of mankind, it is a big basket with little from each culture, take the Indian zero, along with the Islamic algorithm, combined by the scientists of Gog and Magog to produce the magnificent computer programs.Nope the scientific revolution occured in the west and most sciences were founded and developed in the west . Zero could have easily been figured out or substituted . Islam did not invent algorithms and neither society utilized it to make the wests computers . So nice try .
Quote:It's an accumulation of efforts from allover the planet, there's why multiculturism works while single state with single race don't.Nope most science is western and most of it's development was western . Try again
Quote:But how to convince a savage of Gog and Magog with such a fact, even though right now he is using the accumulation of the Islamic algorithm. with the Indian zero, with the American internet to type these words?Islam did not create algorithms and western thinkers improved the concept in every way. the greeks had a placeholders for zero that would have worked just as well . So no you are still using western tech to bitch and moan . You didn't invent the computer nor would you ever have .
You had no hand in this. Islam did invent algorithms they stole it from the west . And could never have dreamed of a machine like this let alone build it . As for Zero the greeks already had a placeholder for zero so it wasn't needed and was more convenience then a necessity. So nope you get no credit and are a hypocrite for using western science .
Again, science is not a collection of stamps. It is not a zero here or an algorithm there. Insisting that science is no more than this, so as to not allow its genuinely unique power to actualLy determine Deeper facts and realities usurp Islam’s Accustomed dominance based on its bullshit claim to being able to do the same, is fundamentally why the world is Islam is Uniquely incapable of Even benefiting much from, much less lead in, the scientific revolution. The world of islam is Much more so crippled than any of the other major non-western culture of the Old world.
Science is single overarching philosophical concept, a intellectual scaffold, if you will, that allows facts whether discovered by west, or discovered elsewhere and verified by it, to stand Cohesively as a unified concept that truly mirrors reality, and yet more importantly allow the limited amount that is known to be limitlessly adaptable to discoveries yet to come. This is what science is. Not Zero here or an algorithm there. What structural framework of science is, is all western. Admittedly many of bricks incorproated into the lower levels of its facade was Partially or largely baked by other Cultures. Yet without the framework Of western science those numerous impressive bricks would never be more than part of one of many separate shapeless pile, subject to grandiose ex post claims, but part of no durable or adaptable form of its own.
Science is the framework that allow them to stand Into a worthwhile overarching form, and be built upon to be yet more.
Incidentally, that framework, once established, also vastly improved the efforts of those who sought to discover based on it. So that’s why it Indians made little material progress with zero in 1700 years. Arabs made little of algorithm in 1000 years. Rockets and gun powder did win China wars or dawn a space age in the orient. But 500 years after capernicus, 350 years after newton, the west landed on the moon, repair human genes on a fundamental level, saw 13.5 billion light years to within a sliver of true beginning, and predict the quantum mechanic underpinning of reality totally alien to any wishful intuition.
West does not owe science any more than the west owns the sun. But the difference between the west and Islam is the west lives under the sun, the world of Islam is wedded to darkness, pretending the sun is just a tiny variation on its esteemed darkness.