RE: How far reaching are God's powers?
November 11, 2020 at 3:10 pm
(This post was last modified: November 11, 2020 at 3:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 11, 2020 at 2:52 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:A god's gonna do whatever gods do, but that doesn't answer the question of how a moral incompetent can possess moral responsibilities(November 11, 2020 at 2:20 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I've been asking you how we can be good or evil outside of the possession of a meaningfully free will.
I'm afraid I don't get you, then. Just because you don't have a choice doesn't mean your actions are suddenly devoid of all moral consequence. It's God Who places the value on your actions, not yourself. Objective truth determines the value of your actions, and God IS objective truth.
Quote:I never said you can't learn from evil. Evil wouldn't exist if not intended for learning.If learning from evil were a good thing to do...and I'm incapable of good....
Quote:Well, I do believe God has an obligation to wipe away every tear, because it would've been better to never have created us at all if that weren't His ultimate intention.I can't say that I share your belief or your condemnation of a god's purported actions.
Quote:However, that doesn't mean He has any moral debt, because He'd already made the decision to fix everything in the end from the very beginning. It might be easier to think of it in those terms, but that doesn't mean it's correct.That's exactly what it means - you're merely asserting that god satisfies this debt - which is all well and good..but how can we have moral debts, if we're morally incompetent?
Quote:We can't accrue anything but debt, being sinful in nature and unable to change that in our own power. We may have somewhat of an excuse, but it's not enough of an excuse to remove all consequence. And really, the important thing to remember is that it's all a lesson. Cosmic chips did not fall randomly and we are suddenly found in some unexpected situation of debt. It was all planned...not sure that that makes much sense as I've expressed it.None at all - but I'm pretty sure it's not your fault that it doesn't make any sense. Explaining it properly might be a good thing to do - and being human - you're incapable.
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