RE: How far reaching are God's powers?
November 15, 2020 at 11:25 am
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2020 at 11:33 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 15, 2020 at 9:47 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: You're just asking me the same question in a different way, so let's just rephrase your question: "Can you be held morally responsible for sin if you can't control it?"Correct, I'm asking one question, have always been asking one question. I can ask the question in many contexts and with any number of examples - which you are well aware of and have, apparently, understood.
Quote:Did he have a choice in being raised by a maniacal father, or being blinded in the first World War? How about his miraculous survival in one particular battle that filled his head with delusions of grandeur? Had these things not happened to him, he almost certainly wouldn't have become a maniac himself.Do any of us? Supposing that we don't, can we be held morally responsible?
Quote:Do you still hold him accountable, though he had no choice in whom he became? Of course you do, because the man was evil. He committed evil acts and posed an existential threat to humanity. He deserved every bit of his suffering in the end.No, I don't hold anyone morally responsible for this set of things. Accidents of history, birth, development or upbringing do not satisfy the traditional requirements of moral desert - which is why I keep asking you how they do in your theory of moral desert.
If someone's daddy beats him like a dog I don't hold him morally responsible for what his father has done to him. You might, your god might, I don't - and I'm interested in how you hold them responsible.
Quote:I think this satisfies the rest of your questions, which are really just different attempts at asking the same thing. Every negative you describe (blindness, pride, etc.) is either punishment for sin or necessary to the fulfillment of God's plan, and is therefore justified, because God's intentions are good and yours evil.I...do not..care. You don't have to waste any time defending your silly gods garbage system. I'm assuming that your god exists, that your god does all of this shit, and that your god is just....because I don't care. I just want to see -how- this chain of moral desert is described. Assuming all of these things are true then there is, necessarily, just such a description.
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