RE: Enough of this crap, I want to hear directly from god
November 19, 2020 at 4:22 pm
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2020 at 4:23 pm by R00tKiT.)
(November 19, 2020 at 3:38 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I think that what blindsided you before, that made you incapable of seeing the holes in your rationale, surround your professed inability to conceive of purpose in a world without a god. Lets start at the very bottom. If this is..in fact...a world without a god, and if you do conceive of purpose...then you actually can conceive of purpose in a world without a god. You're doing it right now. If this is a world with a god, I am still perfectly capable of conceiving of purpose without a god.
Riight.. You just missed the part where you have to prove that this is a world without a god.....
(November 19, 2020 at 3:38 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Could there be an afterlife without a god? I don't see why not and plenty of people believe in one but not the other. Is it true that, without a god, evil would triumph - defined as going unpunished? Hell, it may be true that this happens -with- a god, but people who believe in karma tend not to think so even though they commonly don't believe in gods either.
You don't see why not ? Then you are a more gullible person than all religious people. If there is no all-powerful god, then resurrecting dead people is the most unlikely thing imaginable. And there is no good reason to think there is one. Religions incorporate the idea of an afterlife precisely because it requires the magic of an all-powerful being to actually happen.
And come on. Does karma account for the holocaust? or the holodomor ? or an innocent Iraqi girl being raped, then butchered in front of her family by american soldiers - angels of democracy ? No, I don't think karma or any other silly definition you might have of purpose can replace a real, hardcore afterlife to make up for this injustice.
(November 19, 2020 at 3:38 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Now, you may be incapable....but children don't seem to be incapable. They see purpose whether they believe in gods or not. Is there something wrong with the contention that they see purpose because there is purpose..and for that matter....how is adding or a removing a god supposed to change the idea that chickens are for laying eggs?
I think children don't consider the existence of god that much. Now I ask you again what purpose are you referring to, that you think children can see, is it some prospect of a better future ? some noble dedication to some particular way of life .. ? As I said, once we take away the divine, the word purpose takes less interesting meanings.
