RE: Enough of this crap, I want to hear directly from god
November 19, 2020 at 5:14 pm
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2020 at 5:15 pm by R00tKiT.)
(November 19, 2020 at 4:35 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I can suggest that there are facts about children which explain this.
Nor do I have to prove that there is no god to demonstrate that purpose can be and is conceived of without one.
And what are these facts ? You provided none. Children are just tilted towards belief, regardless of their culture or their parents' influence.
Of course you can loosen the definition of purpose to take out anything about the divine or heaven. But that would be just you playing with nomenclature.
(November 19, 2020 at 4:35 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: No, Kloro, I don't see why not, and I don't think that you will be able to explain why there simply couldn't be an afterlife without a god, or why there simply couldn't be any karmic effect without a god.
Yes.. Of course I can't prove a negative assertion. What's remarkable, though, is that you're prepared to consider the possibility of an afterlife with no god, but not prepared to consider that the universe is the product of a conscious architect. We have more good reasons for the latter than for the former. I think that's a bit dishonest.
Absent any deity, nothing differentiates me technically from a battery. Does a dead battery have an afterlife ? We can't prove that it doesn't, at the same time we know it just won't happen.
(November 19, 2020 at 4:35 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If, ultimately, it's true that there is no afterlife and no god and no karma..then sure, bad people go unpunished. Arguing that it would be bad if something were not true is not the same as arguing something is true..and, in fact, arguing that something must not be true because that would be bad....is a textbook example of a bad inference. Sometimes...bad things are true.
I agree. And in this case, what purpose can you make of the universe, while thinking about all the billions of victims of war, genocide, famine, torture, rape, how they're gone forever, how their only precious lives are taken away forever by some lunatic's thirst for power or lust..?
