RE: If you knew for certain that you were going to Hell
March 8, 2021 at 9:20 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2021 at 9:36 pm by Secular Elf.)
(March 8, 2021 at 9:33 am)Five Wrote: So, setting aside for the moment that nothing can really be known with 100% certainty, let's say you had it for this: As of right now, based on not believing and following Christ, you're going to Hell when you die.
Would it change your mind? Would it change how you lived? Like, would you try to correct that? Or would you argue with God about the parameters of sending you there? Or would you be like, "Fine. Anywhere except next to you, God, is better." ?
I am in the last group. If I somehow got the cosmic paperwork and saw that I was going to Hell when I died and knew this as the most absolute truth I could ever know, I would be filled with resentment for the being that declared me unfit to be in paradise. You don't get to make me, never instruct me or have a personal relationship with me, and then all of a sudden come in and try to make me feel not good enough for you. Screw that. You don't want me? Pffft! Way ahead of you, bro. Because I want nothing to do with you.
***prompted by a silly Christian comic someone posted in another thread. Panik? Uh, maybe you don't understand that you're in an abusive relationship and some of us wouldn't stand for that even if your imaginary friend were real.
Looking at it from an Predestination angle, if you or I were from the very beginning fated to go to Hell anyway, then the Blood of Christ serves no purpose whatsoever, other to stroke the ego of a deity who sired himself to sacrifice himself to a moot point. Forseeing that his creation will be fucked up but he makes it anyway only speaks to an incredible magnification of poor planning. Perfect god my ass!
(March 8, 2021 at 1:58 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: There's no doubt in my mind that in following the Christian teachings regarding heaven and hell that I would be on the express train to hell. I had some wild and crazy years and since the only way to be redeemed would be to go back to The Church and confess, repent...and the one that would trip me up...accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior...yeah, that last one ain't happnin".
In the meantime, I think I have been a pretty decent person over all and if that's not good enough...oh well. I lived an unsettled life and left a life of fear behind when I got away from the church and my parents, in that order.
I tend not to freak out about the future. Especially a fictional one.
I am with you on not freaking out over fictional futures. There is no point to it and it is a waste of time and emotion. I think of myself as a fairly decent person also, there has not been that much drama in my life, I cared for people and loved them, been helpful when I could, only been drunk once, and sometimes have anger issues, so I know I am not perfect. Sounds to me though that heaven is a boring place and hell is an insane man's dream, if said places actually exist. Yet it amazes me that people seem to think one can actually feel either pleasure or pain divorced from one's nervous system.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."--Thomas Jefferson