RE: If you knew for certain that you were going to Hell
March 8, 2021 at 11:08 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2021 at 11:29 pm by Secular Elf.)
(March 8, 2021 at 6:29 pm)Five Wrote: Sorry @Peebo-Thuhlu I really don't know how to answer those questions. Is there a Hell you'd like it if you were supposed to go there? Is there a kind of Hell that you would be willing to suffer rather than bow meekly to a deity that said to you "bow or else"? Is there a limit to that? LIke, "I'd go to these five different religion's concept of Hell rather than submit, but I might submit if the Hell were one of these other versions"?
Mormonism doesn't have Hell. It has a "dimly lit earth" which is just below "medium heaven". And apostates(that's me) go to "Outer Darkness". It's unclear what that is except a sensory deprivation chamber for eternity, with lots of agonized wailing and impotent gnashing of teeth. So, my only real understanding of a Christian Hell is from cartoons and movies. Did Tom and Jerry steer me wrong? I'd rather get cooked in a stew by a demonic bulldog than get extorted by a deity to stroke His ego for eternity.
Indeed, conceptions of places of destinations after one's death vary from culture to culture. Arallu, or Kir, in the ancient Sumerian concept of an afterlife, was thought to be the final destination of everybody, man, woman, king, servant, slave. It was a grey and gloomy place underground where souls went and after some period of time they gradually faded away. Ereshkigal was the goddess who presided over it. Later cultures, the Akkadians, Assyrians, and Babylonians, inherited this concept, calling the place by different names (Ertsetu by the Akkadians, related to Hebrew eretz, "earth"; Irkallu by the Assyrians). The Hebrews called it Sheol, with very similar concept. The Greeks thought of an afterlife where it was an underground destination where all souls went but were separated to different compartmentalized areas of the underworld: Hades for most everyone, Elysian Fields for demigods and heroes, Tartaros, located below Hades, the prison of the Titans, Asphodel Meadows for souls of no great or mediocre distinction or were indifferent and committed no great crimes, and the Mourning Fields (mentioned in the Aeneid) where those who wasted their lives on unrequited love go. The Egyptians called their concept of the underworld Duat. It was where souls (Egyptian soul concept was complicated: ka, ba, and akhet) of the dead go on a dangerous journey to go before Osiris to be judged. One's heart was placed on a scale by the god Anubis, which was measured with the feather of Ma'at, the goddess of order, justice, truth. The soul recited a litany of "I have not lied, I have not stolen, I have not treated others badly, etc., etc". If the heart of the deceased balanced evenly with the feather of Ma'at, then that soul was allowed by Osiris to go to the Field of Reeds, the Egyptian "heaven" where life was exactly like it was like on the Nile, but better; but if the heart was heavier than feather, the soul was guilty of a life without order and truth, and was condemned to be destroyed by being eaten by the demon Ammit, which was a composite entity: the head of a crocodile, the front quarters of a leopard, the hind quarters of a hippo.
So, guess where Christianity got it's concepts of the afterlife?
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