Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?

[The Grand Nudger]

First things first, seeing how your whole argument is based on me "endorsing" slavery, provide a quote of where I "endorsed" it.

My argument doesn't have anything to do with you being a slavery endorsing nutter - you've got the order of dependence backwards.

You are a slavery endorsing nutter because of the deep and genuine belief in a christian religion you hold.  My first response in thread:

It certainly is, all but ensuring that some very committed people end up saying abhorrent things for no reason beyond their genuinely held faith. Things they personally struggle with, but feel compelled to accept nevertheless.

Small number. Like any christian thing, the vast majority ignore the vast majority of things. That's one of the religions pros, incidentally. Nobody wants christians acting too christian in the real world, especially christians.

-you're a member of that small number, apparently.  Here's to hoping it doesn't grow larger.

@tackattack Paul labeled himself an asshole, I merely noticed it. You're only telling me that you can't imagine how paul could be paul as paul tells it. I can clear that up for you. People are full of contradictions. Even people who only exist as literary devices. You, as an actual person with contemporary ethics, probably know when to disagree with paul the man or paul the literary device. We will not be discussing any doomed objections about contempt not being contempt, or you not having eyes to see contempt. As I mentioned before, the authors of all of magic book believed shit you don't. Let;s not insults ourselves, each other, or the members of this board by pretending otherwise. Which of these pauls do you follow?

There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.

Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity, so that in everything they may be an ornament to the doctrine of God our Savior.

-Also Paul

As in all the congregations of the Lord's people. Women should remain silent in the churches, They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

-Also Paul.

I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

-Also Paul

Allow me to suggest that christianity is as inherently misogynistic as any plain reading of the text manifestly demonstrates it to be. Still.... you, as a contemporary christian, may omit or prioritize one aspect over another - but we can be clear about what we're doing in that event. Applying our contemporary ethics to repair that fault in magic book, repair the god of magic book. I don't expect you to shrug your shoulders and say "well, god said to take all the virgin girls and paul said that a bitch should be quiet - so I guess that's how things are and should be!".

As a sidenote - because you might find this interesting - it's entirely certain that the quote you chose to focus on was a re-expression of the ancient isrealite concept of why they personally couldn't be enslaved. They were all already slaves, equally, before god- and thus could not be purchased by another. Christian society would go on to become a slaving society contemptuous of women, for entirely predictable reasons. We have our model minority, they had their model slave. We have our impossible standard, they had their female possessions.

Broadly speaking, christianity is inherently contemptuous of life - for thematic reasons - so it hardly makes sense to split hairs over which color or sex. People are broken and the world is fallen.


-Further, because I cannot stand to see this keep getting floated.

If the Bible doesn't prescribe people to buy slaves and it does prohibit some instances of slavery and talks about when to free slaves, then it does not support/endorse slavery, IMO.

It tells them to go out and capture them by force, and it tells them where they can buy them, and it tells them how to turn even the marginally protected in-group into them. The people commanded to go get slaves did not simply "find themselves owning slaves". A person who exploits the progeny exception is breeding..not finding, slaves. A trader going out to a foreign country to purchase human beings didn't just wake up and say "holy shit, look at all these people that found their way into my pocket!". The idea that it tells anyone to free any slaves is a figment of a contemporary readers imagination.

Since it does those things you specifically mention, there must be some other criteria which you've decided the issue by.