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Hell - Where is the idea of justice?
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RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice?
(November 11, 2011 at 3:00 pm)Voltair Wrote: Godschild what does justice mean to you? I am not trying to attack you but rather asking what you would define it as? I am curious as to why you think Hell for simply not believing is justice?

If I implied that one would go to hell for not believing in justice I'm sorry. The reason that one will be in hell is for the rejection of Christ. Let's look at this first from the side of injustice, of coarse you will need to assume that God is real, Christ sacrifice on the cross for man was not justice it was love, it was a necessary injustice in absolute love. One of the most important reasons for the OT was to show that man represented by the Jewish nation would never be just, even though God had made His presence known to them. God giving His Son as a sacrifice for sinful man was not creating a kind of justice, He was making justice for mankind easier to have than trying to obtain it through the Law of Moses. Again the OT is proof that man could not obey God and be found righteous and just in the sight of God, so the unjust act became necessary so that I as all of mankind could find the salvation ie. redemption God desires for all mankind. So those who accept Christ as their savior and sacrifice there lives to Christ in obedience, love and working for Him, this is belief, are rewarded with eternal life with the one they have loved. For God to allow nonbelievers into heaven would not serve as justice toward the believers who sacrificed and believed. Now, for the nonbelievers, God gives them what they want, they reject Christ and choose to not love Him and sacrifice for Him, if God would allow them into heaven and be with One they chose to despise this for nonbelievers would not be justice for them. So hell was created for nonbelievers so they would not have to be around Christ who they choose to despise, they are allowed to live forever and continue to despise, curse and ect. the God they rejected. The greater the rejection ie, sins the greater their hatred for God and the greater their misery, so the ones who were the worse will be more miserable, so God gives justice within the nonbelievers. This may not make sense, I can see it clearly in my mind, it's hard sometimes for me to explain things. If you have further questions please ask and I'll try to explain the best I can.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 8, 2011 at 3:05 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Violet - November 8, 2011 at 3:20 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 8, 2011 at 3:27 am
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RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 8, 2011 at 9:17 pm
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RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by AthiestAtheist - November 19, 2011 at 2:27 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by DeistPaladin - November 8, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 9, 2011 at 1:56 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by salty - November 9, 2011 at 5:11 pm
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RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 10, 2011 at 2:29 am
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RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 10, 2011 at 6:11 pm
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RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Godschild - November 11, 2011 at 1:38 pm
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