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Hell - Where is the idea of justice?
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice?
(November 21, 2011 at 7:32 pm)ElDinero Wrote:
(November 21, 2011 at 7:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: I have changed hobbies several time, I have also changed my political views over the years and I have chosen not to change my sexual preference I like what I have with my wife. Again I'm making a choice not to choose green or pink because you ask me to, actually I have no favorite color. Why would I want to choose something that's not true such as my height or the moon, both ideas are ridiculous, I choose truth over stupidity.

To show that you can control your beliefs, which is the entire point of the exercise; I think this should be pretty simple stuff, and the fact that you don't get it is slightly embarrassing. You didn't just choose to change your political beliefs, you became aware of new information that informed them. You didn't get up one day and think 'I'm going to change my opinion on subject x to this', did you?

To recap: You're claiming that people can just choose to believe in a God. That is quite obviously an absurd notion, you absolute buffoon. I cannot help that I don't believe, because my non-belief is informed by the evidence I have been exposed to.

Tell you what, let's turn it around. Why don't you explain how I would go about using the control we supposedly have over our beliefs to CHOOSE to believe in God, without that belief being informed by evidence I haven't previously been exposed to (not that I know what that information would be, but hypothetically).

There is no evidence to expose you to, unless you would like to run around with me for a couple of years and see the things I do, even then you would not have any hard scientific evidence you seem to require. You would see God at work and you would not be able to use science to disprove it, I know I've been walking this path for a long time and seen God at work far more than you would believe, as a matter of fact if you had you might be a believer now. I say might because you want absolute facts, that's a choice you make without any new evidence.

(November 22, 2011 at 9:55 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:
(November 22, 2011 at 9:41 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(November 22, 2011 at 3:30 am)ElDinero Wrote: He's already refused that challenge, revjer. He can't get his head around this simple concept.

I understand perfectly what you mean, you believe that one can not make a choice without new information to aid you in making a different decision. I how ever disagree, you asked me to change my favorite color, I do not have a favorite so no amount of info could cause me to select a color. You asked me to choose a different hobby, I told you I had several times not because I had new info, the reason was I was able to afford to. You asked me to change my belief in a god. I told you I chose to continue believing in the God of the Bible. The reasons for this are the God I believe in is the only God, I know there is no other, also to choose a false god would be to betray the true God and I know that I love God and the reasons I do and no other god can take His place. You wanted me to change my beliefs, however I know what I want regardless of any knew info, I'm not uninformed as you might think and I know what I want no matter how much you want me to change my mind.

Regarding your beliefs you say that you "know what you want". So, what do you want?

I wasn't aware that christianity was a wishlist. Although if it is, it would go some way towards explaining why some follow it, if they think they'll get what they want.

Of course, what you want will be a bunch of stuff that you didn't know you wanted until you became indoctrinated.

What I want has nothing to do with a wishlist as you call it, I want the life that God desires for me to live, I know you do not understand this because you have never walked in my shoes, so I do not expect you to.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 8, 2011 at 3:05 am
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