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Hell - Where is the idea of justice?
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice?
It's, like, a page back. But I guess I can explain this.

GC claims we do have control over our beliefs and can choose what we believe. I asked him to prove this by becoming an atheist for an hour. By believing that there is no such thing as God, then using the same control to change himself back to a Christian afterwards (unless he preferred being an atheist, of course). He refused this, saying he didn't want to. So I asked him to choose to believe that his favourite colour is pink, or to believe that he is two inches shorter than he is, or something else benign with no real ramifications (just to prove his point! He could change back an hour later!) He's refused all these as well.

He claims the control he has over his beliefs is evidenced by the fact that he has changed his political beliefs in the past, which I have pointed out he did not do spontaneously. He presumably did not wake up one day and think 'I believe I'll change my opinion on x subject', rather he would have become aware of new evidence that informed his opinion and resulted in a change in belief.

So, care to have a go? I feel like the operator of a carnival stall, asking Christians to step up and prove that they can control their beliefs by becoming atheist for an hour. And like a carnival stall, it's impossible to win, because what I'm asking cannot be done.
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Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 8, 2011 at 3:05 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Violet - November 8, 2011 at 3:20 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 8, 2011 at 3:27 am
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RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 8, 2011 at 9:17 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by R-e-n-n-a-t - November 8, 2011 at 10:22 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by AthiestAtheist - November 19, 2011 at 2:27 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by DeistPaladin - November 8, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 9, 2011 at 1:56 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by salty - November 9, 2011 at 5:11 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by ElDinero - November 9, 2011 at 5:33 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 10, 2011 at 2:29 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by salty - November 10, 2011 at 3:39 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by salty - November 10, 2011 at 11:22 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by ElDinero - November 11, 2011 at 1:32 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 11:30 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2011 at 11:34 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Ace Otana - November 10, 2011 at 3:54 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 4:31 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 4:55 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 10, 2011 at 6:11 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Ace Otana - November 17, 2011 at 6:50 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by chadster1976 - November 10, 2011 at 6:16 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by R-e-n-n-a-t - November 10, 2011 at 7:37 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Cinjin - November 10, 2011 at 8:32 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Godschild - November 11, 2011 at 2:17 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by chadster1976 - November 11, 2011 at 7:00 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by DeistPaladin - November 11, 2011 at 11:01 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Godschild - November 11, 2011 at 1:38 pm
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RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by The Grand Nudger - November 11, 2011 at 10:10 am
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Voltair - November 11, 2011 at 11:18 am
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RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by chadster1976 - November 13, 2011 at 4:42 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Minimalist - November 15, 2011 at 10:21 pm
RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice? - by Godschild - November 14, 2011 at 3:11 pm
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