RE: The issue of Blasphemy in Islam
September 26, 2022 at 4:47 pm
(This post was last modified: September 26, 2022 at 4:49 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 26, 2022 at 3:22 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote:Old traditions are often garbage, yet another missed opportunity for the lord of creation. "Hey, about the whole ritual sacrifice thing - not my gig, never struck any of you as creepy?"
1) You mean the last two? - No
2) As I said. I am not a scholar. But Animal sacrifice is an old tradition.
-but no, these are not the kinds of gods we get, are they? We get the "yes...AND!" kind of gods. Line upon line of borrowed ladders.
Quote:3) As I said. That was not the popular practice in the past. Ancient rulers used to follow Islamic teachings more seriously in the past (in the Middle Ages to renaissance past) and yes. Many of those rules were followed. Forced conversions did not exist. Pillaging and slavery had limits, rape (as far as I know) was forbidden. But this also has to be put in a context. Today we don’t mutilate people, raze cities to the ground, enslave entire cities, and catapult the heads of captive soldiers from above city walls. Today we have war crimes and some international rules of war. These are, in my opinion, to be interpreted as a preliminary chapter to this.It has always been popular practice to use the pretense of self defense for a war of aggression. If people back in the day were more seriously following islam...which I doubt...then it would also be true that those people, more seriously following islam, were more seriously engaged in wars of territorial expansion with defense of the umma as pretext. War is not a bug of abrahamic religions - it's a feature.
And as far as I know. War has to be a defensive war. But again I can’t really say this was always understood in this way in ancient times. But many of today’s serious scholars (the one’s that I read the most) agree on the fact that “no war that is not defensive in nature can be approved by the Kuran”. But if your very existence is threatened. That is if you are not the aggressor. Than is becomes a divine order to go to war.
So war is something that is not approved by God. But if your are the defending side, it becomes an order of God.
Quote:4) Yes. If your are dealing with serious terrorists or similar troublemakers. Say, fanatical / brainwashed indoctrinated people of any school. I don’t believe there’s another solution. So the book is sort of giving a license to be tough on those people.
Such as pagans, homosexuals, sunni/shia (check a map to see which applies),women with their hair out..and, one assumes, all of their various children.
Quote:- We don’t live are a beautifully ordered world now do we? So of course there can be instances in which we have to kill. That’s what they teach in martial arts too. “Stay away as much as you can. But if you can’t, than hit fast and hit them good” (That’s what my Taekwando teacher used to tell me). Do you not agree with this?Yet another missed opportunity for an all powerful god. Can't keep it's toyroom in order.
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