(October 10, 2010 at 12:56 pm)dave4shmups Wrote:(October 10, 2010 at 2:06 am)Chuck Wrote: Bullshit. If god can be eternal, then the universe without god can also be eternal, and for considerably firmer reasons. So the eternity of god argument, rather than provide any sort of solution to the origin problem favorable to god, actually does away with any need for god at all. If god is not eternal, then the theologians are just postponing what started god, if a god started at all. So tell the idiot theologians that they shouldn't ask what is the prime mover, for raising the question exposed the prime mover to eventual human mastery. Where would theologians, beholden to god, be when the rest of humanity master any substance in the prime mover?
Good arguments! But I've read one theologian who argues that nothing started god, because god is, and always has been, self-existent, and that that idea violates no laws of logic.
And what makes them think that something started the universe? Even if time only goes back finitely far, that does NOT mean *something* started it.
