RE: Did Jesus want to create a poli-theism religion?
November 11, 2022 at 2:04 pm
(This post was last modified: November 11, 2022 at 2:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
To put a very fine point on it, the disagreement here is not between plausibility and implausibility, or a historical jesus vs a mythical jesus. Regardless of any of those things, there are observations that can be made about the development of the narrative itself, and the characters as they exist in the narrative without respect to those other alleged, assumed, or hypothetical states of affairs or personages.
There is an embarrassment of riches to be had in this, with respect to understanding the beliefs, if we can separate the two in our minds, as they are distinctly separate in mere reality, and particularly in the case of the loon hypothesis being true.
I'll give you an analog from another mythology - setantas taboo against eating dogs. Setanata was the son of the sky god lugh, but legally a successor of earthly authority (conor of ulster - yet another godman with two fathers...) - and got his given name, cu chulain, because he killed a mans guard dog, and because of his honor, replaced that dog at it's post (even though there was a fucking rager going on inside!). An odd story with strangely specific and even plausible details. However, it;s far more likely that this story is meant to telegraph to the listener that despite his divine origin, the hero was a soldiers soldier who did not take the killing of the lowest man lightly, and would stand in the place of the lowest man to his own disadvantage and potential societal shame - in this event contextualized as a dog - to satisfy that honor-debt.
Or, you know, this whole episode was totally literal, completely legit, and didn't mean anything other-than some guy wasn't at the party...and this is a detail from which we can reconstruct some aspect of his very real life........
There is an embarrassment of riches to be had in this, with respect to understanding the beliefs, if we can separate the two in our minds, as they are distinctly separate in mere reality, and particularly in the case of the loon hypothesis being true.
I'll give you an analog from another mythology - setantas taboo against eating dogs. Setanata was the son of the sky god lugh, but legally a successor of earthly authority (conor of ulster - yet another godman with two fathers...) - and got his given name, cu chulain, because he killed a mans guard dog, and because of his honor, replaced that dog at it's post (even though there was a fucking rager going on inside!). An odd story with strangely specific and even plausible details. However, it;s far more likely that this story is meant to telegraph to the listener that despite his divine origin, the hero was a soldiers soldier who did not take the killing of the lowest man lightly, and would stand in the place of the lowest man to his own disadvantage and potential societal shame - in this event contextualized as a dog - to satisfy that honor-debt.
Or, you know, this whole episode was totally literal, completely legit, and didn't mean anything other-than some guy wasn't at the party...and this is a detail from which we can reconstruct some aspect of his very real life........
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!