(December 3, 2022 at 5:12 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: 1) While not necessary, the atomic bombings are arguably justifiable from a military perspective -- the atomic bombings killed about 150,000 immediately, whereas had the invasion gone forward, at least five times that number would have died on both the Japanese and American sides.
Additionally, the submarine blockade and subsequent aerial mining of ports and interisland shipping lanes was projected to bring on a famine that would have cost millions of lives. In a sense it's a real-world example of the Trolley Problem. In both cases, the bombings probably saved more Japanese lives than they took.
And of course the Allies, who excoriated Nazi Germany for the terror-bombing of Britain, Yugoslavia, and others, turned to the same weapon in both ETO and PTO, and were therefore indeed hypocritical morally, even if they were pragmatic militarily.
2) Hitler loved his dog, sure, but that little bit of good, even added up with the other little bits of good he may have had in him, do not outweigh the massive evils his henchmen, armies, or the bureaucrats running the Endlosung perpetrated under his orders, or the Einsatzgruppen, or the foisting of war upon peoples across the world.
3) Whether Kanye West is a troll, a mentally-ill person, or a True Believer, he's a fucking idiot.
I used to work with veterans and others when I lived in Sydney.
One particularly interesting old gent I got to know was named Fritz. He was Dutch and was a young boy in what is now Indonesia when the Japanese invaded.
He spent several years in a Japanese internment camp.
I remember him quite specifically mentioning the nervousness of the guards as news of setback after setback for the Japanese military came in.
The guards grew more brutal each time and there were plans, overheard from the guards, to slaughter the remaining prisoners before they retreated.
The dropping of the atomic bombs and the Japanese surrender saved the lives of everyone in the camp, and who knows how many others?
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"