Kanye West on Alex Jones

[Irreligious Atheist]

So why is racism against white people not bad again? Because we have systemic power.

No one said Racism against whites was fine. So this is a strawman and yes whites have  systemic power

Jewish people have some systemic power in the record business over black artists, therefore racism against Jews is not bad, right? 

Nope because Kanye has aligned himself with White systematic power with is still more powerful than the Jews. So even by this logic Kanye still has more power.

Why does the same logic not apply here? Fill me in. 

See above  

White people are not inherently bad, nor are Jewish people.

No one said otherwise.

Like Vaush says, it's capitalism that causes record execs to be greedy. It has f all to do with them being Jewish. 

Yes and?

I'm just asking for some consistency from you here.

You have yet to show any inconsistency.

 We're coming at this too much with emotion here and leaving logic to the side.

Well, you certainly are.

Boru, for instance, wants to put all racist people in prison. 

Yeah, I'm going to need receipts for that claim...

Well, that's the majority of planet earth.

Because it's the  majority is not an excuse 

 The majority of humans are either racist or tribal.

Because it's the  majority is not an excuse 

 We have to learn to live together, because over half of all of humanity going to prison does not exactly sound like the most well thought out plan to me.

Again I'm going to need receipts for the claim anyone wants to jail all racists and no we can't all learn to live together and tolerating people who aren't capable of living with other people is not a well-thought-through plan either. 


So honestly this is a very silly comment overall....

The claim has been made by activists that blacks can't be racist to whites because of systemic power. This is a dog whistle to say "be as racist to whites as you want. They deserve it."

So if Ye didn't align himself with white supremacists and just did the anti-Semitism, would that make it any less racist? People who are anti-white and not aligned with white supremacists shoot up synagogues too. Yes, systemic power is extremely important to talk about, but it's not the be all end all. Jewish people can still be shot up by people with less systemic power than them, and they're still just as much dead, whether they were killed by systemic oppression or not.

You consider it a silly comment for me to say that over 4 billion people should not be jailed for racism and tribalism? And I didn't say anyone had an excuse to be racist, but mass incarceration has never solved the problems of a society. Time is the trick. No matter how bad things look to you right now, people are overall becoming less bigoted. Look at the acceptance of gay and trans people in the West. 70 % in the US now accept gay marriage. In 2004 it was only 31 % that supported marriage equality. That's an insane leap in such a short amount of time. I know you're into the doomerism and worried about Nazi fascists at your doorstep, but look at the positive happening as well.

My apologies to Boru. What he actually posted was that white supremacists should have all of their rights taken away and that they should be forced to have a vasectamy or have their tubes tied it seems, or have their children taken away at birth, which is actually just as bad as putting them in prison or even worse, if you think about it.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-63236-page-119.html

If they change, they wouldn’t be sub-human any more and I’d be happy to re-admit them to the ranks of humanity. Until then, laws should be passed prohibiting them from voting, owning businesses, or producing offspring. They should be barred from all professions and most trades, and should not be allowed to unionize. In other words, they should be treated EXACTLY they way they demand non-whites be treated.

Please don’t presume to tell me what I think, you insufferable twatwaffle.

Boru