Kanye West on Alex Jones

[Irreligious Atheist]

Have I ever been to an AA meeting or decided what to wear? No and no. Again my dude, stop spitting off Christian talking points. Where is your evidence? Hitchens is rolling over in his grave right now. People in AA did not consciously choose to go there. It was an unconscious decision forced upon them, maybe because they reached rock bottom or whatever. They didn't have the choice not to go to AA. They were forced to make that "decision".

So you've never been to an AA meeting but you know why every single member ever has gone there?

You're so full of shit your eyes are brown.

I didn't claim Ye wasn't bigoted. I just pointed out the obvious about determinism, which you've obviously never done a lick of research into if people going to AA is your best evidence for choice.

Determinism is an undemonstrated and axiomatic belief. I've done enough research to know that you're grandly overstating your case ... as per norm.

Yes, people don't go to AA if they don't have the will to go there. The will has to be there, and we don't choose whether we have that will or not. Again, you have provided me with no evidence. Remember, you were the one who posted the Hitchens quote, and now you dishonour Hitchens memory by refusing to provide evidence to back up your claims. I see you just posted that Hitchens quote to try to get a zinger on me, when you don't live by the Hitchens quote yourself. I knew it. I called it.

Whether the universe runs by hard determinism or not, there is still no free will either way. No ghost in the machine. We are not separate from the universe. We are merely the universe made conscious. Being part of the universe, we follow the laws of cause and effect just like anything else. Provide evidence otherwise, or you are no better than Joseph Smith claiming you dug up some gold tablets and talked to an angel, or a flat earther who claims the earth is flat because it looks that way when they look out of their window.