Kanye West on Alex Jones

[Irreligious Atheist]

Yes, people don't go to AA if they don't have the will to go there. The will has to be there, and we don't choose whether we have that will or not. Again, you have provided me with no evidence. Remember, you were the one who posted the Hitchens quote, and now you dishonour Hitchens memory by refusing to provide evidence to back up your claims. I see you just posted that Hitchens quote to try to get a zinger on me, when you don't live by the Hitchens quote yourself. I knew it. I called it.

Whether the universe runs by hard determinism or not, there is still no free will either way. No ghost in the machine. We are not separate from the universe. We are merely the universe made conscious. Being part of the universe, we follow the laws of cause and effect just like anything else. Provide evidence otherwise, or you are no better than Joseph Smith claiming you dug up some gold tablets and talked to an angel, or a flat earther who claims the earth is flat because it looks that way when they look out of their window.

Your belief in determinism is axiomatic, which means that it is beyond the reach of evidence. My belief in free will is axiomatic, because I have no evidence for it other than my subjective experience, and those subjective experiences reported to me by others.

Fortunately for me, I'm not trying to change your mind about this, just disagreeing with your unevidenced axiom.

As for "dishonoring" his memory, do you drama-queen much? Or should I ask do you context much?

At any rate, arguing this with you is a waste of time for reasons stated above. If you'd like to argue more, return to the Ukraine thread and resume trying to defend your might-makes-right horseshit. At least that's more interesting in a real-world sense. From here it seems like you prefer arguments without evidence, though.

Being able to consciously make decisions would mean that we would have immunity to cause and effect. Are you claiming we have immunity to cause and effect, and that we don't have to follow the same rules that the rest of the universe has to follow? Again, you are sounding like a theist here. Free will or no free will is not a 50-50 proposition where we can parrot a theistic argument by saying, "Welp, I can't prove God, but you can't disprove him either" Free will existing is your claim, and until you can provide a shred of evidence for your position, then your position will remain a fantastical and religious position. Things not existing is the default. That goes for ghosts, gods, fairies, and free will. Especially free will. Ghosts and fairies actually have a far higher chance of existing in our known universe, because they are not as big of squared circles as the idea of conscious decision making. And since you say you've spent plenty of time looking into this topic, I'm sure you know about the neuroscience experiments that suggest many decisions are made unconsciously, and several seconds in advance before we are aware of them consciously.

Hitchens would not be amused with your "I'm wasting my time" retort in response to me calling you out for having zippo in terms of evidence after you made such a fuss about me not having 100 percent proof a few days back. Hitch still rolling over in his grave. Your "evidence" is that you saw a puddle of water from a distance on the road, and you were sure it wasn't just a mirage.