(December 27, 2022 at 4:27 pm)Helios Wrote: 1. No I'm not going to engage in a pointless game semantics with you IA
2.No unconscious decision does not rule out free will in any way shape or form as Chomsky points out.
3. I have no idea why you're bringing up John Conway...
4. Hitchens's political positions are irrelevant to this subject and Harris has defended both America's Surveillance state and American Imperialism
5. Sam Harris may be a neuroscientist but that doesn't alter the fact he's wrong and has been widely criticized for his terrible understanding of the freewill debate and his own relationship to it. So I'll go with Hitchens on this one
Epic fail on all points IA
What do you mean you have no idea why I'm bringing up John Conway? You brought up John Conway. I thanked you for his name and took the time to watch a lecture by him. Free will as he defines it, apparently applies to atoms as well, so yeah, that's not what I was led to believe Thump was discussing. If even atoms can be defined as having free will, then the term free will becomes pretty useless in any discussion imo if you're defining it that way. Conscious decision making ability was Thump's claim, which he provided zero evidence for.
