RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
January 24, 2023 at 12:35 pm
(This post was last modified: January 24, 2023 at 12:39 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 24, 2023 at 11:10 am)emjay Wrote: My zombie-dogs would salivate, yes; I also agree that fear is part of process, ie conditional on causes and relationships, but just that those causes and relations under epiphenomenalist thinking would be manifested entirely within the physical correlates of consciousness, ie neurons and the brain.A zombie dog may salivate, but we'd have to wonder why..as it would not hunger, no more than it could fear. That's what it's (supposed to be) missing - even though all of the same causes and relationships and physical correlates - an identical brain, identical nuerons... exist.
Quote: Perhaps you could consider them different levels of description; fear is a phenomenal experience, but it's also... or corresponds in some way to... a specific neural state of activity. As does hearing a sound, associating that sound with other neural representations, and triggering other neural events (ie salivating), same for a learned fear response... at either level of description they can be considered the same process, but just with epiphenomenalism asserting that the phenomenal side is causally inert... basically just a representation of the underlying physical processes.Zombie dogs don't hear sounds, either. As before, all things are equal. They possess the structures, air is being compressed, same brain and processes....same behavioral response...but do not and cannot be hearing it.
Motivation is something that I think the zombies and ep have trouble with. Ever considered the the paradox of phenomenal judgement in ep? If our behavior can change based on the acquisition of some phenomenal fact, how can we state that phenomenal contents are a dead end for interaction? How, for that matter, do we even possess the knowledge of such an acquisition, unless the phenomenal content has interacted with whatever purportedly physical thing our cognition depends on...? Or....to put it even more directly as an assertion rather than a series of questions.....
...If our phenomenal content was incapable of interaction with physical events then we wouldn't have any knowledge of such content, to be explained by ep, in the first place. If we do have knowledge of phenomenal contents, and these contents as-such thus need some satisfying explanation...then it seems that they've not only interacted with physical events/structures/processes - they've motivated you/that structure/those processes to change your/their/it's behaviors and explore the subject in depth.
(there are, ofc, responses to this - non causal acquaintance theories of knowledge - which your post above put me in the mind of)
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