The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.

[emjay]

IDK. If we truly understood/believed that even creatures we were sure didn't possess phenomenal content like we do could be convinced that they did, could be convinced that they were in pain and experienced terror and endured stress, that might change the way we treat other creatures for the better. Why be cruel....why create a sick illusory cruelty play, even? We're cruel for effect, even when we aren't cruel people, because we believe that specific cruelty is inert.

Livestock and crops lack the capacity to understand it.

That's ultimately what I meant by the sort of irreconcilable paradoxes I have when thinking about pz's... things that I just can't wrap my head around but aren't necessarily logical... more likely 'semantic confusion' somewhere down the line. Basically if you treat something differently because you think it lacks phenomenal consciousness on the one hand versus the contention that both worlds would be identical on the other. Or really, two questions stem from that... one is how that mechanistically would occur? And now that looks easyish to answer... especially in light of ast or something like that, but the harder question is what should you do with respect to a pz, how should you treat it, and with what justification if the answer is to treat it exactly the same way as something considered conscious?

ETA: Forget that 'easyish' question, that doesn't quite capture what I meant I just can't figure out how to articulate it, even to myself, so best to ignore that question. Ie the mechanism is not in dispute, whatever that mechanism is, but that's not the sum of what that question is about for me.