RE: Most People Insist That Two Separate Being Can Never Be One
June 4, 2023 at 11:15 am
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2023 at 11:54 am by Fake Messiah.)
(June 4, 2023 at 10:17 am)Vicki Q Wrote:(June 1, 2023 at 6:08 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Again, there is no evidence for your claim that the apostles suffered for Jesus. Not even the Bible claims that.
I dislike getting involved in multiple discussions, so I'll one-off just point out...
Paul's rods pain
Stephen's stoning
Paul's beatings back again
Peter's death
Imprisonments
Apostle beating
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning...
(2 Cor 11, Acts 7, Acts 21, John 21 by crucifixion!, e.g. Acts 12, Acts 5)
Nope. Let's take Peter for which you claim that "John 21" says he dies by crucifixion. "John 21" just says that Jesus foretold he will die some torturous death (although not even that, he just says Peter will die old while being carried by someone), but not that he died one.
Indeed, if you look at Wikipedia, for example, it says "According to Christian tradition, Peter was crucified in Rome under Emperor Nero", and Bible did not even say that he went to Rome, that is another "Christian tradition", but not even "Christian tradition" more like "Catholic tradition" because some Christian churches don't think he ever went to Rome.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
