Quote:I dislike getting involved in multiple discussions, so I'll one-off just point out...None of that proves they died for Jesus it simply proved they died or were tortured. How many thousands of people suffered similar fates at that time does they all die for Jesus? For all we know Paul was tortured for completely unrelated reasons. This really puts a kink in the whole "they would not have willingly died for a lie nonsense apologists loved to peddle even though they can never prove these deaths or tortures were because of Christianity.
Paul's rods pain
Stephen's stoning
Paul's beatings back again
Peter's death
Imprisonments
Apostle beating
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning...
(2 Cor 11, Acts 7, Acts 21, John 21 by crucifixion!, e.g. Acts 12, Acts 5)
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
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“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
