RE: Debunk the divine origin
October 8, 2023 at 11:53 am
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2023 at 12:04 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
If the religion had still been forming in the way it appears to have been while they were coming up with these stories..there would be Prophecies™ about ww2, written during ww2.
The ot prophecies are what we, today, would call socio-political commentary. The authors were the tucker carlsons of their day. Not nostradamus. The latter was muy verboten and double plus ungood. I'm going to take a step back from litigating details because I think there's something more fundamental to the way that skeptics often respond to this stuff. The implication is that, if magic book got something -factually wrong- then it must not come from god. You're not disproving anything with that, you're accepting their framing... and it's nutball framing. Maybe gods get shit wrong. A failed prediction is not evidence or proof that a god didn't say a thing - there are silent premises at work that only exist because of their convenience to the cultists beliefs but should not exist in any objective criticism of the claim. So never mind that it wasn't a prediction. It's not even logically demonstrative if it were and it were wrong.
"This prophecy is wrong so it didn't come from god" is a blatant non seq (and, not for nothing, how even the believers have been repairing their texts all this time). The conclusion that follows is "god got this wrong, so gods a fuckup, a liar, or both".
The ot prophecies are what we, today, would call socio-political commentary. The authors were the tucker carlsons of their day. Not nostradamus. The latter was muy verboten and double plus ungood. I'm going to take a step back from litigating details because I think there's something more fundamental to the way that skeptics often respond to this stuff. The implication is that, if magic book got something -factually wrong- then it must not come from god. You're not disproving anything with that, you're accepting their framing... and it's nutball framing. Maybe gods get shit wrong. A failed prediction is not evidence or proof that a god didn't say a thing - there are silent premises at work that only exist because of their convenience to the cultists beliefs but should not exist in any objective criticism of the claim. So never mind that it wasn't a prediction. It's not even logically demonstrative if it were and it were wrong.
"This prophecy is wrong so it didn't come from god" is a blatant non seq (and, not for nothing, how even the believers have been repairing their texts all this time). The conclusion that follows is "god got this wrong, so gods a fuckup, a liar, or both".
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