RE: Debunk the divine origin
October 8, 2023 at 12:41 pm
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2023 at 12:46 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Exactly. First, they need to formulate a coherent (or as coherent as possible) a claim that they actually believe in and will follow through to the end for good or ill, before there's any point in anyone trying to respond to it.
If they say nutter shit there's actually no logically coherent response or criticism that can come from accepting illogical premises to argue against them. The skeptical response to nutbar framing assuming the nutbar framing will be nutbar shit itself - as a consequence of simple mechanical facts of the system being used to assess the claim. Thus, the skeptical response will be meaningfully untrue and illogical, itself. Ala "this was wrong so it didn't come from god" It -cannot- be proven, logically, that because something was wrong it wasn't of divine origin. It's right there in the setup, they're just not the same question. Meanwhile, you could certainly prove that a given story wasn't of divine origin right or wrong by demonstrating it's actual origin. TLDR version, anyone who plays along with cultists has already lost.
If they say nutter shit there's actually no logically coherent response or criticism that can come from accepting illogical premises to argue against them. The skeptical response to nutbar framing assuming the nutbar framing will be nutbar shit itself - as a consequence of simple mechanical facts of the system being used to assess the claim. Thus, the skeptical response will be meaningfully untrue and illogical, itself. Ala "this was wrong so it didn't come from god" It -cannot- be proven, logically, that because something was wrong it wasn't of divine origin. It's right there in the setup, they're just not the same question. Meanwhile, you could certainly prove that a given story wasn't of divine origin right or wrong by demonstrating it's actual origin. TLDR version, anyone who plays along with cultists has already lost.
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