A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will

[ShinyCrystals]

I see. It did seem you were kind of worked up, though.

Let me try once more to explain what I actually meant.

Free will is a something (don't quote me on that, I don't know what to actually call it yet) it is part of human reality; reality being used for a lack of a better word. By human reality, I mean the reality as seen by humans, as described by humans and how humans perceive reality, which is different from the reality that governs everything outside of human reality itself, the physical world, that is. Now, both the human reality and the reality outside human reality have their own laws, aspects, and so on in them.

What I think I was trying to say is that free will is part of the human reality, in my eyes, that is. I do not think that free will is something that goes with the reality outside human reality, the rest of the known universe. The reality outside human reality deals with how the mind works, or how it might work, since we don't know about the mind that much.

With that, I don't think the reality outside of human reality would allow for something like free will, or allow it to exist, and even if it did, it would be different from how we perceive free will. I mean, the human reality and the reality outside human reality are two different things here. Human reality is more subjective and the reality outside human reality is more objective, including with things we might not know, at least not yet.

How do you know that reality outside human reality is "more objective", ... you being a human, (I assume) ? 
First you have to define what you're talking about. Then you have to demonstrate that it's true.

Yeah, sorry.

I did say "more" objective, though, more meaning not completely because there are things in the human reality that are true. Many things, in fact.

Still, in terms of being more objective, I meant the reality outside of human reality has many things that, in terms of physical things, can't be refuted. Human reality has things that can't be refuted as well, but the actual reality of the reality outside human reality is different from how humans perceive things in the human reality. What might be perceived as true in the human reality, may not be true in the reality outside of human reality, or in the case of free will, may not exist in the reality outside human reality.

Free will does exist as a thing in the human reality. But does it exist in the reality outside that?

People here believe it does not exist, including me, but even with going by based on what I read here, it may be hard to say that free will does not really exist in the reality outside human reality. I am not sure if there is enough proof to debunk free will yet. There may be some evidence, but still...

So I was just stating a belief, therefore. I am saying this in terms of human reality rather than the one outside of it. Despite what may suggest otherwise, I don't think I was trying to pass off my point of view as a fact.