RE: The justice and mercy of God
December 22, 2011 at 3:14 am
(This post was last modified: December 22, 2011 at 3:25 am by Godscreated.)
(December 21, 2011 at 7:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: The Jews that died at Hitler's hand could possibly be in Heaven, there is a verse in the OT that says God will take care of those he uses for a purpose,it might take some time to find it if you would like me to.
Freedom Wrote:God allowed Hitler's victims to be gassed to death and incinerated for what purpose?
This is only my opinion, it could have been to bring world wide sympathy for the Jews so that the world would restore them once again as the nation of Israel, this is a fulfilled prophesy.
(December 21, 2011 at 7:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Hitler did not get off scott free, some here say that Hitler was a Catholic and he may have been, that however does not mean he was saved and the proof of that was the evil he did.
Freedom Wrote:How do you know what became of Hitler? And according to your religion's teachings, it's not about what people do on earth; it's about accepting Jesus Christ as saviour.
Works will not bring you into salvation, only the belief in Christ. The evil Hitler did is evidence that he was not a Catholic let lone christian. history tells us Hitler killed himself, why do you think he did that?
(December 21, 2011 at 7:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: There are mysteries to God we do not understand until we face Him.
Freedom Wrote:In other words, you see the apparent cruelty of this deity and are too afraid to confront it.
No, I see God working out His will for His purpose and we are not always privy to what God is doing.
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(December 21, 2011 at 11:19 pm)Zen Badger Wrote:(December 21, 2011 at 1:41 pm)Godschild Wrote:(December 21, 2011 at 11:59 am)Freedom Wrote: According to modern-day Pauline Christianity, a person is saved only if s/he accepts Jesus Christ as personal saviour. I asked the following questions in a Christian chat-room:
1) If an evil person sincerely asks for forgiveness and accepts Christ on their dying day, can they go to heaven? The answer was Yes.
2) In theory, if Hitler sincerely asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ on his dying day, he could have gone to heaven? The answer was Yes.
3) What about Hitler's victims, who were mostly Jews?
The majority's answer was: If they didn't accept Christ, they go to hell.
So, the murderer can go to heaven by accepting Jesus Christ, yet his victims go to hell for having a different opinion.
Is there any way to get Christians to see the total lack of reason and compassion in this line of thinking?
It's not an opinion, it is belief through faith. Hitler again, this is getting boring, Hitler would have never asked for forgiveness any man that was coward enough to take his life and not face the consequences of his actions is not going to humble himself before God to ask for forgiveness.
It doesn't matter whether Hitler asked for forgiveness or not.
The point is that he could've, and regardless of his monstrous crimes god would've welcomed him into heaven.
And his victims, whose only crime was to believe the "wrong" thing are condemned to hell for eternity.
And you think this is justice.
All I know to say to you, you have no clue of who God is and what his purpose is for mankind. If Hitler were to have asked God for forgiveness he would not have killed himself.
(December 22, 2011 at 1:15 am)aleialoura Wrote: It never fails to make me a little nauseous when I see Christian ignorance and arrogance at play.
God works in mysterious ways!?! That's just a fucking cop out, and an excuse for your god, and an excuse for yourself for being backward and brainwashed enough to adhere to his amoral codes.
Why should the Jews have become Christian while the Christians were starving them, beating them, tossing their babies in the air and seeing how many bullets they could hit them with before they hit the ground? Every one of those men were Christian, and it doesn't matter that you declare them unchristian, because they believed they were, just as you believe, GC. If GC's god exists, most of those assholes are in paradise, while their Jewish victims burn in hell, and all because they didn't say the magic words before they died/didn't have the right kind of spiritual experience when they were praying to the same god- Yahweh.
That is so beyond fucked up... it's.. there are no words to describe how utterly disgusting that is, but if you're a true christian, you must believe that. It's in the bible, after all.
Jesus Wrote:I am the way, the truth, and the life; NO MAN cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME.
If Hitler, and his entire army of good Catholic soldiers believed that Christ was their savior, which they did, GC is going to be in heaven with all of them. I think I'd rather jump willingly into a lake of fire, or something.
Prove that Hitler and his soldiers were christians , you made the statement now give us your facts.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
