According to modern-day Pauline Christianity, a person is saved only if s/he accepts Jesus Christ as personal saviour. I asked the following questions in a Christian chat-room:

1) If an evil person sincerely asks for forgiveness and accepts Christ on their dying day, can they go to heaven? The answer was Yes.

2) In theory, if Hitler sincerely asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ on his dying day, he could have gone to heaven? The answer was Yes.

3) What about Hitler's victims, who were mostly Jews?
The majority's answer was: If they didn't accept Christ, they go to hell.

So, the murderer can go to heaven by accepting Jesus Christ, yet his victims go to hell for having a different opinion.


Is there any way to get Christians to see the total lack of reason and compassion in this line of thinking?

(December 21, 2011 at 11:59 am)Freedom Wrote: Is there any way to get Christians to see the total lack of reason and compassion in this line of thinking?

They see it but don't care. As far as they are concerned, those few Christians that actually put that much thought into it, god can change the definitions of those words to suit his will. His game, his rules.

See William Lane Craig's defense of biblical genocide for a better view on exactly how fucked up they truly are.

(December 21, 2011 at 11:59 am)Freedom Wrote: Is there any way to get Christians to see the total lack of reason and compassion in this line of thinking?

No, there is not.


DeistPaladin once wrote this:

DP Wrote:The decision on who goes to Hell isn't based on how good or evil you were in life but on whether or not you joined the right religion and held the correct set of unproven metaphysical beliefs. No matter how evil you were, Christ will forgive you if you convert. No matter how good you were, Christ will condemn you if you don't convert. Therefore, Hell is not to punish wrongdoers but rather to torture wrong thinkers. This is not justice. This is a dictator tormenting non-loyal citizens.

Deist Paladin makes me hot for him sometimes when he says stuff like that.

Unfortunately, Freedom, I have not really found a way to convince christiatards how repulsive their morals are, or how flawed their logic is. You can plant the seed by pointing it out to them, but their not going to even think about it, until/unless they're ready. Most of them are too brow-beaten by indoctrinated fear to even want to consider their beliefs are wrong, much less fucked up.

Try not to let it frustrate you too much. It's a wonderful thing that you can see it now. I'm happy to meet your binary incarnation.

Christians won't understand. Their morals are based on a dictatorship not justice. Do what they say and think a certain way or burn for all eternity. Dictatorship!
Which is why good people for some reason deserve to go to this....hell. All because they don't think the same way. No justice, none at all.
Some morality. Pah! *spits*

(December 21, 2011 at 12:42 pm)Cinjin Wrote: DeistPaladin once wrote this:

DP Wrote:The decision on who goes to Hell isn't based on how good or evil you were in life but on whether or not you joined the right religion and held the correct set of unproven metaphysical beliefs. No matter how evil you were, Christ will forgive you if you convert. No matter how good you were, Christ will condemn you if you don't convert. Therefore, Hell is not to punish wrongdoers but rather to torture wrong thinkers. This is not justice. This is a dictator tormenting non-loyal citizens.

That statement is written so well that I actually got chills from reading it. What a great summary. It shows how pathetic the whole process of "going to hell or heaven" is and I just do not understand how Christians can not see the ignorance in it. But again... blind sheep can't see.

(December 21, 2011 at 11:59 am)Freedom Wrote: According to modern-day Pauline Christianity, a person is saved only if s/he accepts Jesus Christ as personal saviour. I asked the following questions in a Christian chat-room:

1) If an evil person sincerely asks for forgiveness and accepts Christ on their dying day, can they go to heaven? The answer was Yes.

2) In theory, if Hitler sincerely asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ on his dying day, he could have gone to heaven? The answer was Yes.

3) What about Hitler's victims, who were mostly Jews?
The majority's answer was: If they didn't accept Christ, they go to hell.

So, the murderer can go to heaven by accepting Jesus Christ, yet his victims go to hell for having a different opinion.


Is there any way to get Christians to see the total lack of reason and compassion in this line of thinking?

It's not an opinion, it is belief through faith. Hitler again, this is getting boring, Hitler would have never asked for forgiveness any man that was coward enough to take his life and not face the consequences of his actions is not going to humble himself before God to ask for forgiveness.

(December 21, 2011 at 1:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: ...any man that was coward enough to take his life and not face the consequences of his actions is not going to humble himself before God to ask for forgiveness.

You cannot possibly know that. Once again, assertions made that you can't prove or even qualify.

(December 21, 2011 at 1:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: Hitler again, this is getting boring, Hitler would have never asked for forgiveness any man that was coward enough to take his life and not face the consequences of his actions is not going to humble himself before God to ask for forgiveness.

Yes, let's change the subject since you started from a completely indefensible position.

Godschild: Why should Hitler's victims have turned to Christ in the midst of the Holocaust? And anyway, what do you think of the doctrines of your faith that could allow the scenario where Jews are twice burnt and the one who exacted the murder of millions gets off scott free because he accepted Jesus Christ and they did not?

If the victims did not accept Jesus Christ, and they went to heaven anyway, on what basis is God allowing them entrance?