UBI support Poll

[Belacqua]

I agree with you about lazy fucks and self-motivated people. 

There may be more types of people than that, though. I'd like to avoid a false dichotomy. 

There seem to be people who are doing their best, but are still having a hard time. 

I spent years of my life, when I could have been A LOT more productive financially, taking care of my elderly mom-in-law. I was fortunate in that I did have some income, and my wife had more, but not everybody can make money the way I did. I suppose I could have spent more time making money and then handed her care over to strangers, but I'm glad I didn't. 

In an ideal world I guess there would be charities or other generous people who could take care of people who are not lazy fucks but are still struggling. I think the idea behind UBI is that it is actually more efficient to create a general minimum for safety's sake.

Granted, limiting abuse of such a system would be tricky.

Well, the most generous people are usually "the" rich (aka : successful people), that lazy lefties love to criticize. I wonder how their worldview would work out in the stone age. 

By the way that's always a good way of gauging if lefties' utopian* pipe dreams are workable and realistic : would it work in the stone age, without the technology invented by and financially provided by successful people? 


* Fun fact : Utopia means "no place". Aka : in no place would it work.

Were there rich people in the Stone Age? Generally people say that agricultural surplus is necessary for things like social hierarchies, an aristocracy, things like that. So if we're talking hunter-gatherers, it makes sense that some could hunt and gather more than others, but what do we know about whether they shared with their family or not? Do weaker people get to eat, or is it good to just put them out to die? 

As for utopia, again, I want to avoid a false dichotomy. Fantasies about solving all the world's problems and keeping us giddy with joy all the time are not possible. But we might be able to create systems that improve things somewhat.