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Ben Shapiro vs Neil deGrasse Tyson: The WAR Over Transgender Issues
RE: Ben Shapiro vs Neil deGrasse Tyson: The WAR Over Transgender Issues
(January 26, 2025 at 11:29 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(January 26, 2025 at 11:10 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: It depends on how you define morality.
If you define morality as = causing harm is immoral.

And there's your subjectivity.

Not really.  If you and I both observe that there are two frogs on a log and there -are- two frogs on a log the assertion that there are two frogs on a log is not subjective or intersubjective and the next guy who comes along and says there may be three will not make it so.  He'll just be wrong in fact.  

Things aren't made meta ethically subjective by people disagreeing.  Not about definitions or anything else.  Things are made metaethically subjective in the specific sense in which the assertion derives exclusively from a fact of the subject making the report.  Such assertions exist, and are often clothed in the semantics or details of actual or other facts. People who think gods gonna strike us down for homosex babble on endlessly about this or that natural order as if natural anythings were compelling to them. For example. The line between metaethical objectivity and subjectivity in cognitivist moral systems is distinct even if misinformed, the line between subjectivity and relativity less so, in many ways relativity is just the subjectivity of large numbers. It's worth noting that insomuch as we disagree about moral this and thats, only objectivist moral systems can be wrong or incorrect in any non novel sense. No other type of moral disagreement is a dispute over facts of the matter being discussed. They are disputes over facts of other matters.
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RE: Ben Shapiro vs Neil deGrasse Tyson: The WAR Over Transgender Issues - by The Grand Nudger - January 26, 2025 at 2:14 pm

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