RE: Ben Shapiro vs Neil deGrasse Tyson: The WAR Over Transgender Issues
January 29, 2025 at 2:50 am
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2025 at 2:59 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 29, 2025 at 1:56 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Who is judging, and by what standard? Sure people hold individual rationales. What makes one rationale more right or wrong than others? You were an infantryman. How did you justify your use of force, and what differentiates you killing a Serbian from any other gunshot death? Can you do that and support your argument for objective morality without appealing to relativism or subjectivism?That's a great question. Objectively speaking, I don't think there is much if any difference between killing grunts or civies. It's all pretty damned bad. Personally speaking, I think that anyone who finds themselves in the attempt to take another life thinking that what they were up to in that moment was a good thing needs to spend alot of time off the line. Anecdotally speaking...we often find people referring to some greater good they serve when they do these things they appear to believe are bad themselves (when they don't just think it was all stupid and fucking evil in retrospect).
Quote:(January 28, 2025 at 9:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: A person might think that only one thing matters in moral statements or they may be a value pluralist.
And how is that not an appeal to subjectivism and an abnegation of objective morality?
Why would it be? An objectivist may use harm as a value...and you can get pretty far with just that...but they might also use help as a value. You can derive conclusions from the two things that you can't derive from either one alone, and things from each that you can't derive from the other. A harm and help based system is a value pluralist system...but they're closely related. There are other candidates for value, more distant from these and from each other...some of them..at least apparently, objective. If you get a junkie clean, have you helped them?
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