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Ben Shapiro vs Neil deGrasse Tyson: The WAR Over Transgender Issues
RE: Ben Shapiro vs Neil deGrasse Tyson: The WAR Over Transgender Issues
(January 29, 2025 at 4:45 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(January 29, 2025 at 1:44 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It is my opinion that evolutionary biology is true.  Does that being my opinion make evolutionary biology false, not objective, relative, or subjective?  

This is a fancified false-dichotomy. Of course an opinion can be correct or incorrect, when we are actually able to compare it to relevant facts. The problem occurs when you have nothing factual for comparison -- which is clearly the case here. Where are these factual morals stored? What library? It's nice that you have an opinion. But it is only your opinion unless and until you demonstrate its factuality with appealing to word salad.
It should sound like that if the belief or position it's modeled after is a fancified false dichotomy.  It's worth going over explicitly, though..because for some people, and in many cases, the statement "that's your opinion" or "that's subjective" does seem to come down to that.  

I have a stubbed toe and a corpse for comparison.  Throw in cooing at babies.  When I put on my moralizing hat and say that murder is more harmful than stepping on toes and cooing at babies is less harmful than both I'm purporting to report a fact about murder, toe stepping,  cooing at babies, and harm.   Not me. Not my society. Not my non cognitivist impulses. I hate cooing at babies and I can't stand watching other people do it. Just a tic.

Quote:You can use your semantics all you want. If you're claiming that objective facts can be based o subjective feelings, you're abusing the language.

I'll return to this discussion when you shitcan the word-games. This shit bores me.
Metaethically subjectivist facts -are- "objective facts" in other casual usages.  In that a metaethically subjective assertion...accurately reported (that is to say not covering itself in the glory of objectivist semantics) is "I believe that x" - and they may, in fact, believe in x.  This is why subjectivism relativism and objectivism are cognitivist theories.  They all make truth alike claims.  There's some fact expressed or hiding in the assertion...the difference being what those facts are about. Kind, not quality.

I use this language because it's expressive, granular, and accurate.
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RE: Ben Shapiro vs Neil deGrasse Tyson: The WAR Over Transgender Issues - by The Grand Nudger - January 29, 2025 at 5:57 pm

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