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Is this Simply Going to go on Forever?
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RE: Is this Simply Going to go on Forever?
(August 1, 2025 at 8:50 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: There was a nice interview on CNN with Christiane Amanpour with two Israeli doctors fighting against Netanyahu’s policies in Gaza. The entire populist speech of the Netanyahu government was decrypted.
To summarize: The State of Israel was born out of genocide. So educated / smart Israelis do not support the policies of Netanyahu. He is the D. Trump of Israel and with his similar minded friend in the white house, he seems to think he can do whatever he wants.
/ As someone who has had it with this war (that is lingering there since before I was born), I’M only thinking, “Why doesn’t he that it all at once and end this thing once and for all?” Smile
 
If there is hell this must be it: Imagine this: Israel wants to kill you all. And your “resistance movement” also wants you to dies because it is a part of their strategy. Israel wants you push you out. Egypt wants to keep you in.
 
Let me be even clearer: there are some 3 million Syrians (fleeing a similar situation) in my country. Still I would support my government if it wanted to take some of those Palestinians in.
 
The other solution being the recognition of the state of Palestine (which is happening in France, Germany and England). And the removal of Israeli troops and settlements from those territories.
 
I’m ok with both solutions.
 

israel wasn't born of genocide - zionism was already old by the time Shoah was stopped. However even in it's infancy it was immoral project as it deemed Palestine to be peopleless land (which is essential colonialist take). Here is a nice quote that I saw in a book I'm currently reading:

The first attempts to settle European Jews in Palestine and thus restore the glory of the Holy Land appeared as early as the first half of the 19th century. “It is worth noting,” Malm reminds us, "that this was a wholly Christian and Anglo-Saxon fantasy, in which Jews actually living in the Middle East or elsewhere had no active participation."[31] It was in 1839 that the phrase was most likely first coined—by Lord Shaftesbury in the pages of The Times—as “a land without people” and “people without a land,” which Shaftesbury in The Times, of a “land without a people” and “a people without a land,” which then became the most important slogan of Zionism: "A land without a people for a people without a land." British public opinion and increasingly wider circles of European intellectuals did indeed promote the belief that Palestine was uninhabited and ready for settlement.
[Paweł Mościcki, Gaza. On the Culture of Extermination, p.37-38]*

Solution that I would be ok with is stopping israel with force. Time for letting them do as they please have long passed and no country should be above international law. Jacobin have a good piece about it. To sum it up:

For decades, liberal humanitarianism argued that the international community should take military action against states engaged in extreme human rights abuses. Well, there’s no way to argue that Israel isn’t exactly such a state.


*https://imgur.com/a/b8ItQBS - link to original version of the text
The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
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Is this Simply Going to go on Forever? - by Leonardo17 - July 27, 2025 at 11:02 am
RE: Is this Simply Going to go on Forever? - by Rev. Rye - August 2, 2025 at 4:46 pm
RE: Is this Simply Going to go on Forever? - by Aegon - July 27, 2025 at 5:58 pm
RE: Is this Simply Going to go on Forever? - by Mr Greene - July 28, 2025 at 11:13 am
RE: Is this Simply Going to go on Forever? - by Paleophyte - August 1, 2025 at 11:10 am
RE: Is this Simply Going to go on Forever? - by Ivan Denisovich - August 2, 2025 at 11:37 am
RE: Is this Simply Going to go on Forever? - by Angrboda - August 1, 2025 at 9:04 am
RE: Is this Simply Going to go on Forever? - by Angrboda - August 5, 2025 at 5:15 pm
RE: Is this Simply Going to go on Forever? - by Belacqua - August 6, 2025 at 9:22 am
RE: Is this Simply Going to go on Forever? - by Deesse23 - August 6, 2025 at 2:21 pm
RE: Is this Simply Going to go on Forever? - by Fireball - August 6, 2025 at 8:40 pm

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