RE: The burden of proof relating to conciousness, free choice and rationality
March 3, 2012 at 11:49 pm
(This post was last modified: March 3, 2012 at 11:52 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 3, 2012 at 6:21 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(March 3, 2012 at 10:13 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Really??
Are talking specifically or generally? Because generally I would say that the majority of hominids are nothing more than organic robots.
Yes, I really am serious. In either a predestined or deterministic universe, consciousness has no reason to exist. But consciousness at least has a purpose in a universe that allows freewill. And since the idea of freewill also matches our subjective experience, I'm saying the best default position is freewill.
Rhythm, what kind of magic universe allows an electro-chemical processes to have subjective experience? What possible law governing the universe makes electromagnetic vibrations produce a visual experience and vibrations in air an audible one? Show me one law of physics that includes or describes what life feels like.
The best position to make a truth claim from is one that matches what you have yourself described as a subjective experience? I disagree. I see that you also do not care to even make the attempt to demonstrate any such thing as free will, nor that free will has anything to do with consciousness. You too, assume what you wish to prove.
No magic required, here we are. All laws of physics describe what life "feels like", without those laws you would not have "feelings" or anything to experience "feelings" about. Unless you'd like to claim that energy and chemical interaction are not subject to the laws of physics, or that the laws of physics do not underpin the objects of said interactions and energy that you interpret as "feelings". If you'd like to inject a little mystery, pick something mysterious.
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