The secret of the Illuminati and why they are identifiable yet unstoppable.

[kılıç_mehmet]

I can't vouch for the Freemasons, I only know one guy who is one, and he at least seems to be very decent. But seeing that I am myself a member of a closed society, I can say that people's imaginations can twist what it actually is about.

It's just another fraternal organisation, I would guess. My grandfather was a freemason; he entered WWII at 18-years-old in hopes to be a medic and save lives, and he was a school teacher and principal. The most exciting thing the man did in everyday life was go fishing - no evil plots . I wouldn't have considered him a threat. His sister was part of The Order of the Eastern Star as well. Neither were really religious, I'd say probably Agnostic faith-wise and if anything else at all, just social tradition. I agree with your observation/statement, Kayenneh. I think the general suspicions are over-rated.

Friend, I'm also a part of a nationalist fraternal organisation. Our events and our policies, ideologies are all in the open. Your grandfather was in no real place to actually go and topple leaders. But overall, what purpose do the masons really serve? What is their goal? Our goals are clear, crystal clear, and we're trying to explain these goals to the people. Masons on the other hand...Well, fraternity based on what?
The only thing I can really think of is loyalty to monetary needs, as it seems that masons are not a religious order either, what really is there?
Besides, my suspicions are not baseless. The lodges in our country were closed by a man who had past experience with them.

Gee, who else do you know that falls into this category?

If you had read my statement, you'd see that this is an international organisation. If they had been a regional organisation, I'd certainly not give a flying damn about it. But a Turkish freemason and American freemason are helping eachother in this matter. Like for example, the American freemason has interests in this country which are in contrast to our own national interests. The Turkish freemason is obliged to help this one, as he'd require his help if the same would be the case for him in America.
See?

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Should you be accusing them then? If you don't know the inner working of the society, how can you judge them?

By looking into their outer works. Certainly, their philosophy is of no concern to me. I do not condemn the freemasons because of certain theories that link them to knights templar, or that they worship baphomet, and swear loyalty to the logde while being pierced on the chest or whatever.
What is really important here is how they work on the outside.

Well, the little I've acquainted myself with the order, I can't say that their philosophies seem to correlate with your idea at all. Do you have an example or two to illustrate just how they put themselves before anyone else? And just how do they differ from anyone rich and influential, who isn't a Freemason?

As I said, their philosophies are rather irrelevant here. The only thing that matters is that they are an international organisation which support eachother when it comes to their own personal, and lodge related interests.
They know no nations, boundaries, religions or people. This is what is so disturbing for me. Besides, they seem to be operating within a hierarchy, too.
Examples?
Well, I could give a few examples from our own history,if you wish.